New Joker Info Stirs Up Robin Rumors For THE DARK KNIGHT RISES' Joseph Gordon-Levitt

The Dark Knight Manual is a new tie-in book for the upcoming film The Dark Knight Rises and within it there is speculation about the Joker's background that might show a connection to Robin.

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By nailbiter111 - 7/5/2012


Part of the reason I hate prequels so much is that they ruin the mystery. Which is yet another reason I love Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight, as it never fills in the blanks of who the Joker is or where he came from. Think about it, how less menacing was Darth Vader once you saw him as a nerdy little boy building C3PO or later on as a whiny teenager with no acting skills?

But of course there will always be demand from the fans who want every little detail pointed out to them, and in a clever new tie-in book for The Dark Knight Rises a few theories about the Joker's background are presented. The first theory is rather bland and speculates that the Joker was a patient of Arkham Asylum, but no records indicate that he was ever there. While it is the second theory that is quite interesting as it presents a possibility that Dick Grayson/Robin could exist in Nolan's universe.

"The Joker does not appear to have any connections to Gotham's crime syndicates, though he knocked over a mob bank. One possible motive for this, which could also explain the clown motif, is the Haley Brothers Circus. The circus was recently in town for a two-month engagement and it was rumored their boss had connections to Sal Maroni. The Joker could be a former Haley Brothers employee with some kind of grudge against the mob."

From that bit of information IGN has put two and two together and it makes quite a bit of sense.
Comics readers will know that Haly's Circus was the home to the Flying Graysons, who were killed after Sal Maroni's associate Tony Zucco sabotaged their ropes in order to send a message to the circus owners that the mob intended on using their trucks to ship drugs. (SPOILER: Speculation that Joseph Gordon-Levitt's cop character John Blake is a potential Batman successor/would-be Robin will only be fueled by the revelation in The Dark Knight Manual that Blake, like Bruce Wayne, is an orphan who "channeled his anger and pain ... into his work serving and protecting the people of Gotham.")

The GCPD report offers one other theory about the Joker's identity: "Given the Joker's access to, and relative comfort with, military-grade technology such as grapple cannons, weaponized gases, explosives, and automatic weapons, it is possible that the man is a former soldier, perhaps suffering from severe PTSD." The report later suggests "anarchy" as a possible motive for Joker's crimes, speculating: "The Joker has murdered or attempted to murder various civic officials. It is possible that he is an extremist anti-government agitator or a soldier angry with the government for sending him to war."




The Dark Knight Rises hits theaters July 20th 2012 and stars Christian Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman, Michael Caine as Alfred Pennyworth, Gary Oldman as Jim Gordon, Tom Hardy as Bane, Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle, Joseph Gordon-Levitt as John Blake and Marion Cotillard as Miranda Tate.

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JDUKE25 - 7/5/2012, 3:59 PM
Interesting. Can't wait for it to finally get here.
TayDee - 7/5/2012, 4:04 PM
They should've never created John Blake in the first place. It just seems like a way to add another star to the film
Screwger - 7/5/2012, 4:05 PM
Joker actually was strong physically and mentally (not healthy) and I like this theory.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 7/5/2012, 4:26 PM
Omgggg hes not freakin Robin. Can we please put that rumor to rest?
Hellsing - 7/5/2012, 4:31 PM
oh god hear we go again.

and I seriously don't think JGL can be considered a star yet maybe after TDKR and Looper you can call him a star but until then you should call him a damn fine actor, who should be added to movies.

Anyways I'm hoping nolan doesn't pull a robin crap and simply make him the new gordon essentially who more or less helps batman, giving a nod back to Begins and how Gordon helped Batman take down the LOS. It would be nice way to tie things up.
AthleticoPathetico - 7/5/2012, 4:32 PM
It would be cool if the Dark Knight Rises not only applies to Bruce but Blake as tdk successor.
SuperPickle - 7/5/2012, 4:32 PM
@Vegakingblade, If memory serves correctly, Gordon said Joker had no fingerprints, as in they were burned off.
Buddha29 - 7/5/2012, 4:33 PM
I like the idea of him being an unregistered, unknown patient at Arkham who was taken from the circus and secretly experimented on until he snapped.
GreenHalJordan - 7/5/2012, 4:34 PM
I like that idea, but I LOVE that robin picture. Very badass, even with the assortment of colors.
GreenHalJordan - 7/5/2012, 4:35 PM
@ckal, I see what you did there! ;)
googleplex - 7/5/2012, 4:36 PM
robin won't be in this because bale's still involved. he's mentioned time again that he won't be involved in a batman movie if they introduce robin.
Buddha29 - 7/5/2012, 4:37 PM
I realize Nolan didn't want The Joker out of respect for Heath but, in my opinion, I really think he really missed the opportunity to use JGL as Joker. Just sayin.
Ha1frican - 7/5/2012, 4:39 PM
Actually Vader was alot more interesting when he wasn't just some faceless robot but when you know what he is actually capable of...
ISleepNow - 7/5/2012, 4:40 PM
Not fair to hold All prequels accountable to the suckfest that was The Phantom Menace
Buddha29 - 7/5/2012, 4:46 PM

TheMarvelWay - 7/5/2012, 4:47 PM
We had to endure the idiotic "Agent Coulson will return as the Vision" rumor, now people just cant shut up about John Blake.
Hes been Robin.
Hes been the Joker.
Hes been the next Batman.

The only thing Ive read on the net that may be true about Blake, is that he and Selina Kyle are brother and sister and the children of Falcone, and early in the film they believe Bruce to be responsible for Falcone's death as well as the deaths of others in the Dark Knight and want to help Bane in order to get revenge on Batman/Bruce.
Of course when Bruce is beaten Kyle realizes hes not the one responsible.
PeterParker1991 - 7/5/2012, 4:50 PM
^^Agreed.Vader is more dynamic once we knew HOW he became Vader. Anyone who thinks otherwise is an idiot. - - Not sure about Robin, but I hope not. He should be in the next trilogy, not thrown into a random film. And if Nolan or whomever don't care about the character, then all we're going to get is another "Venom."
DraculaX - 7/5/2012, 4:51 PM
Maybe Blake is a relative to The Joker, you can see the similarities between Ledger and JGL
KidGoku - 7/5/2012, 4:52 PM
As many Robins that there are, there is the possibility that Nolan just created his own Robin. Just like Nolan merged Ra's Al Ghul with Henri Ducard. Robin and John Blake?
OptimisticPrime - 7/5/2012, 4:55 PM
TDK Joker should just be a guy who looked around, realized everything is chaos, and researched how to have some fun making everyone else realize it. No military training, no criminal record, no ties to the circus.
JellyMan123 - 7/5/2012, 5:01 PM
I love these little 'easter eggs' they give us; help fuel the fan fire lol

I personally think they can rule out the military angle as he wasn't exactly a skilled fighter, but I do like the idea of the Joker being a adrenalin junkie hitman, who completely lost it after a bad day (can't remember which comic its from, but its fairly recent), anyway I do hope 'John Blake' is Dick Grayson, after all Matthew Modine's 'Nixon' is really someone else, plus it'd be a great way for Nolan to include a pivotal character from the Bat mythos without really screwing things up
KnobGoblin - 7/5/2012, 5:07 PM

Dick Grayson did become a Cop in the comics.
JDUKE25 - 7/5/2012, 5:07 PM
@starscream lmao, and I take it that's not tears on her face either
Fogs - 7/5/2012, 5:14 PM
@starscream9289 - LOL!
DraculaX - 7/5/2012, 5:16 PM
"Or maybe The Joker is s a twisted version of the Dick Grayson character turned mad by tragedy of his murdered family." User of IGN

hmmmm.
CorndogBurglar - 7/5/2012, 5:17 PM
John Blake gets shot and dies. I've been saying it for about 9 months now.
EyeGore - 7/5/2012, 5:19 PM
Nolan could appear on the White House lawn tomorrow with "JOKER IS NOT IN THE MOVIE, ROBIN IS NOT IN THE MOVIE, AND THIS IS MY LAST BATFLICK" tattooed on his chest in glowing red letters, and people would still speculate on this stuff.
AmazingFantasy - 7/5/2012, 5:20 PM
I beg you, I be g you please dont make John Blake Robin or I will kill a motherufcker.
CPBuff22 - 7/5/2012, 5:22 PM
TDK is full of holes in backstory and plot and I can only assume that TDKR will be the same way.
mgeoff88 - 7/5/2012, 5:42 PM
When I first saw the set photos of JGL, he just struck me as Nightwing.

Instead of taking up the Batman mantle after Batman retires, I want John Blake to forge his own identity while paying tribute to Batman.

I want to see him become some variation of Nightwing. It's probably very unlikely, but that's what I'm hoping happens.
thewonderer - 7/5/2012, 5:43 PM
@CPbuff2

There were few if any. Now Avengers, that has a ton of plot holes
MitchConner - 7/5/2012, 5:46 PM
If JGL doesn't take the helm then who will? I'm damn sure not in the mood to see Batman rebooted like Spiderman...that would suck in my opinion...they've got a good thing going, an epic thing...make them until it sucks.
odie00 - 7/5/2012, 5:46 PM
i really hope JGL isn't dick grayson. im sorry but hes not badass enough to be him in any shape or form. hes ok in some movies. i thought he was suppose to be like an azrael? that would make more sense and i wouldnt be upset just because anyone coule be azrael and im not a big fan of any of them to be honest. if by chance he is his own robin well then fine, but do NOT make him dick grayson. you can make him that douche jason todd for all i care.
CPBuff22 - 7/5/2012, 6:01 PM
@thewonderer What was the plot for Batman Begins. Did it have something to do with fear gas going through water pipes that went to a central hub along with the cities electrical & elevated train? Because I remember that and yet that building and that train system do not exist in TDK. And you can't make any excuses of it being removed or remolded because in TDK they still hadn't repaired Wayne Manor. So to simplify, HUGE PLOT POINT IN FIRST MOVIE, GONE IN SECOND MOVIE. Now with Ra's Al Ghul coming back lets see how Nolan screws up the back story more.
Scooby - 7/5/2012, 6:03 PM
I was trying to hold back, but I can't help it. The truth is, I have the inside scoop. JGL is playing Jesus in TDKR. After Baine breaks Batman's back, JGL reveals that he is Jesus and heals him.
UltimaRex - 7/5/2012, 6:10 PM
John Blake is not Robin.

Let it go.

Here's my Nolanverse Joker origin...

There's a nobody who never smiles living in the narrows. He hates everyone but won't do anything about it because he's a chickenshit. One day a nutcase ninja bastard comes along and fear gasses the narrows with him at ground zero. He finally comes to with no more fear, a Glasgow smile and NO IDEA HOW EITHER HAPPENED. There you go. Slot that little story into your viewing of TDK and have fun with the joke...
UltimaRex - 7/5/2012, 6:14 PM
@CPBuff22. You can see the monorail in the background in a few shots in TDK. Not many though and you really have to look.
95 - 7/5/2012, 6:15 PM
@CPBuff22

The rail system is seen in both The Dark Knight and Rises. Wayne Enterprises moved to a new building. The old building is seen looking untarnished because the "Hit Me!" scene takes place on the other side— unaffected by the prior catastrophe. And Ra's al Ghul is featured in a flashback. You should pay more attention to the films you're watching— but I guess you just watch bootlegs.
Scooby - 7/5/2012, 6:21 PM
Monorail:



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