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Morgan Freeman Says He KNOWS Christopher Nolan Will Make Another Batman Movie

The veteran actor who played Lucias Fox in both Nolan Bat movies says he is sure the director has another movie on his mind, and he names the villain he would most like to see...
Batman rumors are as common as Spidey ones on here, but this is perhaps just a bit more positive. Speaking to MTV Morgan Freeman spoke about the possible third Batman movie from Chris Nolan...

"I know—I just KNOW—that Chris is working on number three. He couldn't possibly not be"

But, the actor admits that he doesn't have any solid information, just a gut feeling..

"I'm not waiting by the phone," he said. "I don't know anything at all about it. 'Batman' is completely out of my mind."

He also seems certain that if another movie happens, both he and Michael Caine(Alfred) would be back..

"What I don't know is how that story is going to play out—where it's going to be and who's going to be in it," he said. "There's a good chance he would incorporate Lucius Fox and Alfred."

As to the next villain Nolan may use, Freeman likes the feline leather look it seems..

"I want to see Catwoman," he said. "I have [a casting] idea, but it's just an idea and I'm going to keep it to myself."

Good choice Mr Freeman.



Real solid Batman 3 news is pretty much non existent at this point. All we do know for certain is that Christopher Nolan is still shooting his post-Dark Knight Sci-Fi thriller Inception which isn't due in theaters until summer 2010. We also know he is contacted to do a third movies, as is Christian Bale. But we also know there are always ways around these things if Nolan decided he really did not want to revisit Gotham. So come on Chris, throw us a frickin bone here!
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113 Comments

Here's to hoping! I just don't want some schmuck to come in and ruin the franchise. Just makes me nervous, as WB has said they'll go on without Nolan.
ecksmanfan - 12/8/2009, 5:16 PM
Gotta love Morgan Freeman. No where does he claim he knows anything more than we do, he's just saying that he'd really like another batman just like the rest of us.
thwhtGuardian - 12/8/2009, 5:18 PM
This will happen in time. And I'm cool with waiting for it to be done right.
BillyBlack - 12/8/2009, 5:21 PM
Great stuff, Ror! I hope Freeman is right!
Brent Sprecher - 12/8/2009, 5:22 PM
i agree w/ billyblack
valeriesghost - 12/8/2009, 5:24 PM
How can you not trust Morgan Freeman? A nuclear bomb could be headed right for me IN PLAIN SIGHT and he'd just say "Don't worry you're gonna be fine" and I'd know he was telling the truth :)............well.....y'know...right before I get disintegrated in a fiery death of radiation...but that's not the point GODDAMNIT!!!! :P
Ryden - 12/8/2009, 5:28 PM
I really HOPE that is is NOT catwoman!IMO

I really want DEATHSTROKE..but that makes more sence
for a TEEN TITANS movie... maybe DEADSHOT!

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peterparker420 - 12/8/2009, 5:30 PM
@Ryden - LMAO You know, that's more or less what I was thinking too. Maybe we just need him to talk to Nolan and tell him that he knows Nolan will do the next one. Then the next day, after Nolan has been suitably mesmerized by the sound of Morgan Freeman's voice, he'll announce he's ready to do the next movie and that a non-Halle Berry Catwoman will be in it.
TheDemonHunter - 12/8/2009, 5:35 PM
I hope so too Brent..lets hope working so closely with Nolan on 2 movies means he has some idea of his mind set!

PP, I would love Deadshot too..but I think Catwoman opens more storyline possibilities, and a dynamic we haven't seen yet(In Nolan's movies anyway. she's also the most likely studio choice because without Dawes, there is no female lead character/love interest..and we all know they are a staple!
RorMachine - 12/8/2009, 5:38 PM
I want Riddler, Black Mask, and Deadshot (as an assassin hired by BM to take Bats out in like 2 scenes).

I know a lot of people on this site don't like Riddler, but I think he could work as one of a couple other villains. Definitely not as the only villain though.

Riddler hired by GCPD to help in hunt for Bats, Black Mask rising as new crime boss, Deadshot hired to kill Batman. I think those plot threads would work well together.

Save Deathstroke for Teen Titans.
InTylerWeTrust - 12/8/2009, 5:39 PM









SHHH - 12/8/2009, 5:41 PM
I think the next villains should be Firefly, Black Mask, and Bane.

Riddler is cool but he has been done already. Bring in someone no one has seen before and it would be amazing.

I love Morgan Freeman. If someone was to narrate my life i would want it to be him. If he told me "Hey i'm going to kill you and then rape your mother and then rape your dead body," i would be like "Oh Mr. Freeman what a kidder."
BatmanKnight - 12/8/2009, 5:44 PM
Morgan Freeman's voice makes anything sound interesting. If he narrated me drinking a cup of coffee in the morning, I'd be legitimately engaged to drink my coffee. It's that cool ;)
InTylerWeTrust - 12/8/2009, 5:45 PM
Great news! I cant wait to see if Nolan can top the greatness of TDK!!

ROR: I checked out a few of your fan casts...they're excellent man! You should get back into making them! :)
JoshW - 12/8/2009, 5:47 PM
He should stop on the 2nd movie. The 3rd movies always suck like the 3rd matrix movie 3rd x men movie , spiderman 3 blade 3 and so on and so on.
luffycapri - 12/8/2009, 5:47 PM
luffycapri: You're not wrong about that but if anyone can break the cycle, its Nolan!
JoshW - 12/8/2009, 5:52 PM
Ror- I hear what you are saying (about the love intrest)
but catwoman!?, she was great in BATMAN: RETURNS
and crap in her solo movie, we need someone new!

WHAT about that girl in batman R I P ? what was her
name, she double crossed batman, she was a member of
the black glove? anyone?


BATMAN OF ZER EN ARRHHH!
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peterparker420 - 12/8/2009, 5:54 PM
YAY!!! YAY!!! YAY!!!
legder20 - 12/8/2009, 5:57 PM
Batman RIP was so freakin awesome!
MarkV - 12/8/2009, 5:57 PM
I think Batman should take on Nic Cage's bankruptcy and Tiger Woods problems with women.


SirPrize - 12/8/2009, 5:58 PM
MarkV- YA IT WAS!!

should they go down that R.I.P path? for
the third movie...I wonder?
peterparker420 - 12/8/2009, 5:59 PM
Miss Jezebel Jet! Yeah she was cool, but there is no way Nolan would use her. Although we have seen Catwoman already once(That Halle Berry shite doesn't count) and a great turn by Michelle Phiefer, the best version of the character has not been done yet..the hooker who retaliates against her violent pimp. That would be perfect for Nolan's world I think.

RIP was good, but I wouldn't want them to focus on that for the next movie. Ideally I would like them to set it years in the future, age everyone up and make TDKR..but thats never gonna happen!
RorMachine - 12/8/2009, 5:59 PM
RIP was awesome: "Your cup had the poisen in it. I switched the cups when you blinked."
antz1104 - 12/8/2009, 6:00 PM
ya you guys are right about morgan freeman's voice he narrates some of the planet earth episodes and its awesome(that show could have no sound and still be soooo kickass)....but like him i do have a gut feeling that nolans gonna do another one i mean he hasnt said he wont be and hes still filming inception so just give it some time and well be hearing news about this early next year
SabretoothTiger - 12/8/2009, 6:01 PM
I say no to RIP. I thought it was confusing as shit. If they go that route, bring in David Lynch to confuse the shit out of people a la Mulholland Dr. Why not bring in Talia al Ghul, looking for revenge for the "death" of her father.
Tobuttica - 12/8/2009, 6:04 PM
Black Mask


jazzman - 12/8/2009, 6:09 PM
antz1104- WHAT A GREAT QUOET!! NOW THA'S BATMAN!

Ror- THAT'S WHAT HER NAME WAS! as for phiefer you are right that was the best catwoman performance and I know
her and batman have alot of history, it could be intresting if they made the right story to go with it.
is it going to be friend-turned foe-turned friend type of thing?

AND I'M NOT TO SURE ABOUT TDKR, coming from NOLEN,
LET'S LEAVE THAT FOR ZACK SNYDER! LOL
peterparker420 - 12/8/2009, 6:11 PM
PURRRFFECT Mr. R1
Gose - 12/8/2009, 6:11 PM
I would love to see a Batman/Judge Dredd team up. It won't ever happen just like a Marvel/DC movie. But even though alot of people don't like him Riddler would be good. But if they want to kill the franchise they could make Bruce Wayne - Agent of Shield.
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TheDemonHunter - 12/8/2009, 6:23 PM
I do like Black Mask too..kind of! I mean he has some good moments but ultimately he's just another crime boss. They could use both him and Catwoman and tie in their history in the comics. She killed him after all!
RorMachine - 12/8/2009, 6:27 PM
I think for the next one Catwoman and the Riddler are the most likley to show up. Catwoman for, as Ror said, a new female lead and to show a new plot twist with Bruce. Maybe feeling a little guilty for liking Catwoman when the love of his life only died not long ago. Also the Riddler would be great. I love the idea of the OCD Riddler. Like he's a genius and can pull the greatest hesists in human history but his one flaw is his obsession with Riddles. He needs a challenge and he sees Batman as his only real competitor. I don't think the riddle's should be obvious like the old school Batman or the Carrey versions. It needs to be something hidden, something subliminal even..you don't notice it right away.

@Demonhunter- lol :D
Ryden - 12/8/2009, 6:30 PM
i hope they make batman 3

ryden- i agree with you in the riddles that they need to make them hard to make the audiction even want to know what it is and if batman dosent get the riddle on time the riddler might blow up or do something to gotham city
flames809 - 12/8/2009, 6:43 PM
I think the most likely villains are, 1, Riddler, 2, Catwoman, and, 3, Black Mask, he fits in with the whole mob angle Nolan's Bat-films have included.

"Should do fine against cats" - love that line :)
InTylerWeTrust - 12/8/2009, 6:47 PM
@SirPrize: LMFAO!!!!! But Tiger's wife might just kick Batman's a$$ too (that or Batman will kick Tiger's a$$)!!! But maybe not, I think she's saving the 5 iron (I know nothing about golf, so correct me if I'm wrong) for Tiger... BUt he sure could handle Cage's bankruptcy...

Now look what we have here...


Happy Holidays!!!

TheCritic17 - 12/8/2009, 6:54 PM
@Tyler: Hey man, how ya been!!!??? I haven't been on in a while, work, work, work... being a critic isn't easy...
TheCritic17 - 12/8/2009, 6:55 PM
Critic! Haven't seen you since the Cap debates, my friend. I've been pretty good, you know, making soap, fighting in the club, projecting mayhem, it's all good ;)
InTylerWeTrust - 12/8/2009, 7:05 PM
@Tyler: Yeah its been a while... I'll take two pounds of soap to get rid of my neighbor's cat (that or I'll just ask poni to slay it for me)... ;) I just watched Fight Club recently and forgot how great it is...
TheCritic17 - 12/8/2009, 7:07 PM
luffycapri-- Yes, thirds are turds.
Betty - 12/8/2009, 7:09 PM
Rule 1:


TheCritic17 - 12/8/2009, 7:10 PM

InTylerWeTrust - 12/8/2009, 7:15 PM
@Tyler: LMAO!!! ;)
TheCritic17 - 12/8/2009, 7:19 PM
This movie needs to get busy living or get busy dyin.
superdog - 12/8/2009, 7:27 PM
batman 3- two face, riddler, hush, talia al ghul
batman 4- black mask , catwoman,
brazilianbatman - 12/8/2009, 7:55 PM
Good to see some halfway decent Bat news. I just hope Nolan gets around to it while Freeman's still alive (knock on wood) - and Caine.

Invictus looks pretty sweet. Though I have thought about Freeman playing Mandella for a long time now. Probably will win supporting actor - I've called it lol! What I don't get is why Eastwood made the movie based around a soccer player, and not just a solo Nelson Mandella movie - what the hell... Oh well, as follow up to Gran Torino I'm not missin' it.

Ever since I saw The Shawshank Redemption when I was like 12, Freeman's been one of my favorite actors. Wonder who his choice for Catwoman is - does he like strong forceful white women like Tiger? lol

As usual, I agree with everything Tyler said about Batman 3. Riddler, BlackMask, Deadshot. .
48and2 - 12/8/2009, 7:57 PM
I'd like to see Two-Face back and some form of Bane. And I still think that the Joker's presence should be somewhere in this next film.
Ryguy88 - 12/8/2009, 8:30 PM
@Tyler
Dude, your villain are identical to mine!
i even cast them:
Black mask: Julian Mcmahon
Riddler: Johhny Depp
Deadshot: Nicolas Cage
Selina: Kate Beckinsale
and about eight months ago i actually wrote a fan fic script for Batman 3.
Catwoman wasn't in it, but Selina sure was! and remeber how Black Mask tortured her and her fiance. then force fed her some body parts!
this of course would lead to Selina becoming Catwoman and for the movie to be rated R.
Wadey09 - 12/8/2009, 8:36 PM
WTF, you all have been talking about casting, and none of you have metioned Jensen Ackles. I am actually surprised.(Happy but surprised)
Odinson - 12/8/2009, 8:47 PM
BANE.
OSCURO - 12/8/2009, 8:50 PM
"So come on Chris, throw us a frickin bone here!"

Seriously! Right, Ror? Its been a year and half now since TDK was released. Not even a word that he's got ideas that he's penning? Just tell us something!
Phinehas - 12/8/2009, 9:55 PM
If Nolan doesnt return they better get a director who brings great character moment to screen. Personally I'd watch Clint Eastwoods Batman ...that's if he'd do one of course or he should be in The Dark Knight Returns
breakUbatman - 12/8/2009, 10:24 PM
I think it'll either be Selina or Talia as the female lead.

Here's hoping it's Selina/Catwoman!!!!!
BlackCat1 - 12/8/2009, 10:38 PM
I hope Nolan returns becuz the The Dark Knight was amazing
shahrazstate - 12/8/2009, 11:07 PM
croc, bane, cat woman, black mask and riddler should be in the next movie why do it small lets do it big and make batman a three and half hour movie oh yeah.
thegamedrex - 12/8/2009, 11:41 PM
croc, bane, cat woman, black mask and riddler should be in the next movie why do it small lets do it big and make batman a three and half hour movie oh yeah.
thegamedrex - 12/8/2009, 11:45 PM
Hell no to Catwoman!

LOL so, he knows about as much as I know...which is NOTHING.

I would go with eith Black Mask, Penguin, Bane, or Riddler.

...and I want to see Robin. I think Nolan can pull him off.


Macksimus - 12/8/2009, 11:59 PM
ya i agree.. introduce robin as a kid.

i say go bane and someone else. Bane is a popular enough villian to attract a crowd. Also a riddler or peguin movie would b a little to similar to TDK. We havnt really seen a great one on one fight with someone equal to him.

I say introduce robin as a kid, the mob who hired the killer for the rents should call a professional (bane) for protection and to kill batman. simple story that introduces a new hero as well as introduces the villian and the reason why in the movie.
Mazoku - 12/9/2009, 1:44 AM
I WANT A NEXT BATMAN MOVIE AND A NEW BAT TUMBLER

T800 - 12/9/2009, 1:45 AM
Yea they probably will make another Batman. The only problem is Bale went on this serious slim fast for another movie and looks like a crack fiend. So whenver he gets his weight back up and start looking healthy again that's probably when they will do it.
StrangemannX09 - 12/9/2009, 5:02 AM
I definately would want to see another Nolan Batman film and I agree with the majority of people on here that they should really go with a villain that is less known.
I like BlackCat1's suggestion of Taila.
I think Robin should not be in this movie at all but if they must put him in then he should only be in there for a second maybe have Killer Croc be the villain and towards the beginning have him as one of the circus freaks and have the whole Grayson family performing with the same circus Croc is part of.
Although I do believe they need a more realistic villain to fit into the "Nolan" Batman universe
lexkal66 - 12/9/2009, 5:07 AM
BTW I think that the Catwoman being a theif and assasin out to get Batman is a great idea. Still in the movie we can have Black Mask and Hugo Strange as a villains with cameos from Riddler, Scarecrow and a mention of Joker all locked up in the asylum
StrangemannX09 - 12/9/2009, 5:12 AM
"...and I want to see Robin. I think Nolan can pull him off. "

This is wrong on so many levels...

No Robin please. There is no place for teenage sidekicks in Nolan's Bativerse.
KeithM - 12/9/2009, 5:14 AM
@KeithM- Yes there is, Robin, whether you like him or not is a MASSIVE part of Batman's mythos. It's only because he hasn't been done well in the past that people are put off by him. In fact there's some subtle hints that Robin may make an appearence in the next film as after Batman takes care of Scarecrow, one of the copycat Batmen says that they want to help him and Batman says he doesn't need any help. Also Alfred shows concern for Bruce after he sees his bruised and beaten up back and thinks he can't do everything by himself.

Robin is what keeps Batman's sane in the comics. Being surrounded by darkness all the time is not good for the mind, Ronin is the innocene that brings the light to Bruce Wayne's troubled mind. I'm not saying have Robin out there in a bright red costume fighting alongside Bats screaming "Holy cow!" they would modernize him just as they did Batman. Remember it wasn't long ago that Batman was a campy character.

You'll notice that when Robin was campy (the West tv series and the Schumacher films) so was Batman. So is that to say there shouldn't be Batman in a Batman movie? ?!?!! Robin is a classic character that could open many new story-lines for this franchise.

Nolan can pull him off.
Ryden - 12/9/2009, 5:44 AM
i wouldn't mind seeing catwoman either, but she can't be the main villain. she's not out trying to take over the city or cause havok, she's just a "cat"-burglar. there needs to be a big bad also.
CorndogBurglar - 12/9/2009, 6:22 AM
Personally I grew up with Robin (Dick Grayson) always being there with Batman. Love the character and was surprised to see him leave Bats in the first place, back in the 80s. He's a huge part of the mythos.

That having been said, I don't see any place for a Robin to jump into Nolan's Batman universe yet. It's too early in Bats' life to be responsible for a young ward. In many ways he's still learning the job himself in Nolan's movies so I don't think Robin fits in just yet. Bruce doesn't have any wisdom to pass on to anyone yet, as he's still finding his way through the darkness of the whole justice vs. revenge argument for himself.
TheDemonHunter - 12/9/2009, 7:02 AM
Teabag- where the f**k are you? I sure hope you didn't go looking for Supermike to bring him back from his self imposed exile
ASSASSIN666 - 12/9/2009, 7:22 AM
THE 3 CHARACTERS THAT "MAKE THE MOST SENSE", HONESTLY?

CATWOMAN (FORSADOWING IN TDK)
PENGUIN (B/C HE CAN RUN THE MOB WITHOUT NEEDING TO BE SET UP, HE'S JUST DISFURGED...EASILY EXPLAINABLE)
RIDDLER (USING DEDUCTIVE REASONING, SINCE NOLAN HAS SAID TIME AND AGAIN HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE BATMANS DETECTIVE MIND MORE)

ALL VILLIANS ARE VERY "ORGANIC" TO THE PLOT. CATWOMAN WILL BE THERE THOUGH DEAL WITH IT DUDES, SHE WAS "FORSHADOWED" IN THE LAST FILM AND RACHEL IS DEAD, WE NEED A NEW "ROMANTIC INTEREST" FOR THE LADIES. PLUS CATWOMAN IS PROMINENT IN "YEAR 1" WHICH SOME OF THE MOVIES HAVE BEEN ABOUT
dellamorte1872 - 12/9/2009, 8:16 AM
NEXT BATMAN SHOULD HAVE ALL NEW AND IMPROVED TUMBLER, NEW WEAPONS, NEW SUIT, BRAND NEW BATCAVE...AND CALL IT GOTHAM
GUNSMITH - 12/9/2009, 8:27 AM
NOLAN HAS GONE ON RECORD AS SAYING HE LOATHES THE PENGUIN. BUT MAYBE HE WILL GO THIS ROUTE DUE TO STORY POTENTIAL
dellamorte1872 - 12/9/2009, 10:05 AM
I think that everyone's going to be depressed when Freeman one day dies. He not only is a great actor but has the most used(commercials and movies) and recognizable voice in the world.
airbeyonder18 - 12/9/2009, 10:06 AM
Not really into the idea of Catwoman, at least not yet. Rachel Dawes died and that puts a lot more baggage on Batman's shoulders. I think Batman needs a villain that drives him over the edge like the Joker.
airbeyonder18 - 12/9/2009, 10:10 AM
I'd masturbate in front of Morgan Freeman. That's how comforting his voice is.
Shaman - 12/9/2009, 10:54 AM
Ryden: "It's only because he hasn't been done well in the past that people are put off by him."

Sorry, you're wrong (some may have, but not all). I'm not put off by how he's been done in the past, I just think the character is fundamentally lame.

He was created in order to appeal to a teen/kiddy audience, because the suits thought kids would have a hard time relating to the adult, rich, Batman. For that time, perhaps Robin wasn't out of place so much - after all, comics were only for kids right? But now, the character - any "teenage sidekick" - just doesn't make any logical sense. A grown man, even one who dresses up as a bat, doesn't need a teenage kid to keep him "sane" - it's just creepy, frankly. And completely out of character with Nolan's interpretation.

To fit ANY interpretation of Robin into that world will betray the characters integrity and will cheapen it.

I completely understand that you - and others - will disagree vehemently, but I think it's important YOU understand that there are "fans" who hate the very idea of Robin, not just because he's been "done bad in the past", but because he represents an immature and illogical part of the character's cast that just doesn't fit a more mature, sophisticated interpretation. Any attempt to "make him fit" would be contrivance just to say "wah! wah! you gotta have Robin!", when there is no logical, story or character reason for him to be there at all.

We don't need Robin. You'll still be able to enjoy the movies without him, but his appearance would put off those like me completely. Be fair. You still have Robin in cartoons and comics. Don't spoil it for the rest of us.
KeithM - 12/9/2009, 10:58 AM
Robin may have been created just to fill the teen sidekick quota, but he has developed considerably since then. Im not a huge fan of the character, but there have been writers(mainly Frank Miller imo) that have integrated him brilliantly into batman's storylines. If the movie focused on Batman training this kid for war and left out all the teenny hissy fit shit, it could work.
RorMachine - 12/9/2009, 11:03 AM
KeithM- No I'm not wrong, when it comes to opinions of a character you can't really be wrogn since y'know..it's an opinion, don't be a douche about a debate.

For starters you mentioned that it's creppy how Batman needs to keep Robin around to keep him sane and that it doesn't fit in with Nolan's interpretation, heres the deal, Nolan screwed Batman's chatracteristics up big time with his first two films, he was stupid, had the dumb voice and was angry at everything..however I forgave him because he made both movies spectacular despite the fact that Batman himself was lacking any real traits of the comic book Batman, so briniging in Robin may fix that. Show the more dedicated, intelligent Bruce Wayne..he has to act more grown up to support the kid.

And how is there no logial reason for him to be in the films? There's plenty, some even hinted at in TDK. Batman questioning his own sanity and realising through Robin that he is doing the right thing. Batman denying help when it is needed and with Robin will show that he doesn't have to work alone. You're being really close-minded on the whole thing.

Also, the character has evolved with Batman, I'm guessing you don't read the comics because Robin has become more mature and more of a partner than a sidekick. It's not like Robin stayed campy while every other character developed y'know. Plus incredibley campy characters have been made dark on screen, namley Batman. Up until the Burton films the general publics view of Batman was the Adam West version. Robin is actually a fantastic character and could open up a lot of new plot points for Bruce's character.

And what does "wah! wah! you gotta have Robin!" mean? In my previous post I wasn't whining about the alck of Robin at all I only mentioned how and why he should be in the 3rd. You need to be fair to the vast majority of people who want Robin.
Ryden - 12/9/2009, 11:15 AM
Ryden - by stating that "people only dislike robin because..." you're not just stating your opinion, but attempting to explain everyone else's. And on that, I'm afraid you are wrong. Just because everyone is entitled to an opinion, if that opinion tries to cover the likes and dislikes of others, then it can still be wrong. That isn't why I dislike him, for starters. Hence your opinion "that people only dislike him because he's been done badly in the past" is wrong. Clearly. I simply presented myself as one example of how that statement is wrong.

I have no issues with your opinion of the character himself, just your statement about why others dislike him.

I'm not being a douche at all - I'm just stating an opposing opinion, while fully acknowledging and accepting yours. All I ask is that mine (and others who MAY feel the same) are equally respected.

I'm happy to debate the pros and cons with you, but only when you drop the confrontational attitude. I meant nothing personal about the "wah, wah" comment, just being "impish". Why so serious? ;)

I simply ask this:

If Robin didn't turn up in the next movie, would it "ruin it" for you?

If he does, it would for me.

I just think not introducing him is the "lesser of two evils" if you will.

Oh, and "I'm guessing you don't read the comics..."? Wrong again. Since about 1969 - not every single issue I admit, but let's not get patronising here please. I know who/what the character is, I've seen every possible interpretation, but I just don't like him. Respect that, even if you don't agree with it.
KeithM - 12/9/2009, 11:25 AM
Introducing Robin with this Batman, at this point in his life, would be a mistake. He's still a relatively young Batman who is still finding his own way. Can't teach someone else what you haven't learned yet.
TheDemonHunter - 12/9/2009, 12:02 PM
I'm not a huge Robin fan (in fact I think he sucks), but I wouldn't mind a tastefully done homage - maybe of him as a child, and eventually somewhere down the line, after Nolan's movies, a quick metamorphosis from Robin to Nightwing wouldn't offend me. If the father/son archaetypal relationship could be explored in a non Schumacher way, it could give the story added depth and a new perspective. Nolan could do it justice, I believe.

On the other hand, if the wrong guy gets a hold of it, it will end up as a buddy movie the likes we haven't seen since Tango and Cash... BAD.
48and2 - 12/9/2009, 12:26 PM
@KeithM- How was I trying to explain everyone elses opinion when I pretty clearly indicated that bringing Robin in is what I PERSONALLY think is a good move for the franchise.

Well sorry if I was coming off confrontational it's just you seemed very patronisiing in your last comment especially when you said "Sorry, you're wrong.." And I'm not wrong. And you mention how our opinions should be equally respected but how can they when our opinions result in the appreance or lack of appearence by Robin in the films. It's one or the other.

If they didn't put Robin in it wouldn't be ruined but then it's not down to the characters in the film rather how they are portrayed which would ruin it or not for me. Simply adding a character that you don't like in doesn't mean the movie is a failure, since, chances are with this series tone they'll change him big time to fit thier universe.

So you can't say "be fair" when it's not fair on people who want Robin.

And why would I respect that when I disagree?

The fact is if Nolan decides to screw up more characters then I'm done with this franchise and I'm hoping for a reboot. Robin si the only character I wouldn't mind seeing changed a little to suit the universe. What bugs me is the fact that he basically goes "[frick] the comics" when making these films.

That's not a good thing, I got past it with the last one because of the amazing performances from Heath Ledger, Gary Oldman and Aaron Eckhart and the "realism" wasn't as heavy in BB so I liked it. However they're getting less and less like a comic book film...more like a crime drama that just so happens to have Batman in it.
Ryden - 12/9/2009, 12:26 PM
"However they're getting less and less like a comic book film...more like a crime drama that just so happens to have Batman in it."

Ryden- By "Batman" i trust you meen "A rich guy in a batsuit", right? LOL :P
Shaman - 12/9/2009, 12:52 PM
Well Nolan's interpretation is just one way you can go, but I think it's been a fantastic experiment in the genre and film itself, and shown how far you can take the Bat out of Gotham, but that you can't take Gotham out of the Bat.

You can love them or hate them, be it BB or TDK, but throu these concepts, Nolan's essentially combined several existing genres to create a new original and extreme one. And cbm's from here on out will be drawing certain elements from his formula, as well as Favreau's. I fail to see how this is a negative thing in any way whatsoever.
48and2 - 12/9/2009, 1:16 PM
Morgan could play an over weight diabetic white woman. And it would be a movie to see for the year. :]
Set2Fallfirst - 12/9/2009, 1:19 PM
@ morte

how was catwoman foreshadowed in TDK?? i think i missed that. when did it happen?
CorndogBurglar - 12/9/2009, 1:33 PM
Ryden - for crying out loud. Your opinion on Robin is not the issue. I stated that clearly. Your opinion on why OTHER PEOPLE don't like him IS. You said: "It's only because he hasn't been done well in the past that people are put off by him." and on that you are utterly, completely and totally wrong. In error. Mistaken. Erroneous. WRONG! Comprende?

FFS. The internet is so goddamned frustrating.

My issue is with the whole concept of "teenage sidekick" - it's creepy, childish and unnecessary. The whole notion of Bats "training someone up" is at odds with Nolan's stated aims for Batman anyway, hence my position of it not being a logical progression for the current movie adaptation.

The only situation I can see where a Robin, in any guise, might fit at all, is at the end of his career (ala Dark Knight Returns) where he's handing the torch over to others. Even then, I personally (note - personally) think that Bats would choose someone a little more mature just because it would be extremely irresponsible and - again - a little creepy to be handing over such a massive responsibility to a frigging kid.


KeithM - 12/9/2009, 2:55 PM
Corndog: The line where Bruce asks if his new suit will protect him from dogs and Lucius Fox replies with something along the lines of "it'll protect you against cats..."
KeithM - 12/9/2009, 3:49 PM
I think in the third "Nolan" Batman film, will feature the Riddler as the main villian and Catwoman as a supporting villian. The way Two-Face was utilized in the Dark Knight compared to the Joker. I think it has to be this way. Think about it. Nolan can't have the Riddler and Penguin in the same movie. They are two main villians and both will require too much screen time. The movie will be too congested. Hint, Hint, Spiderman 3. Nolan can't do a Penguin/Catwoman combo either, it has already been done with Burton's Batman Returns. Nolan could try to do a solo villian.....but I don't think he will go that route....he hasn't yet with either film.
agentend - 12/9/2009, 4:30 PM
the riddler has not been done by chris noland and that is saying something. they did the riddler in batman forever as a goof ball geek. nolan would probably make riddler more seriouse and dark with some great riddles for batman to solve it could be a great thinking batman film with everything in it,and if joker ends up in it ben foster should be cast if not cast ben foster as riddler or johnny depp.
1chris2 - 12/9/2009, 5:06 PM
@KeithM- Whoa calm the [frick] down man. Just because you say I'm wrong in many different forms doesn't make you smarter than me ;) Using them may make you feel cool but it doesn't work.

When I said it's only because of how he was treated before I never said "and this is the opinion of EVERYONE and that's exactly why they don't want Robin" did I? NO. So don't take like I was just because I never said "personally"

And so what if it's unrealistic it's a [frick]ing comic book movvie what do you expect!?!?! Besides it's not like he is even handing the mantle over to Robin is he?? He's training him while he's Robin, and, eventually, they'll take on thier own mantle when Batman passes or for whatever reason quits. That's why Robin is there.


Ryden - 12/9/2009, 6:08 PM
My "Nolanized" version of how to deal with Robin:

Bruce is at the circus. Flying Graysons are performing. Tragic accident. Young Dick is an orphan.

Bruce thinks, "poor kid, I know just how he's feeling. I should do something..."

Next day, young Dick Grayson, at the social services office, gets told he has a lovely set of new foster parents (nobody we know, just genuinely nice and safe...), a mysterious benefactor who has ensured that he'll never want for money, and that he's going to be just fine.

End of story. Move on.



Optional (if we really must): Dick gets "inspired" by Batman and with his new-found wealth and over-indulgent foster parents trains up - by himself, in secret - and becomes Robin/Nightwing. Batman wants nothing to do with him and regards him as a danger to himself and threatens to lock him up along with the other crazies "for his own good". Robin ignores Bats, tries to emulate him and dies on first real mission. Batman says "told you so, damned stupid kid".

End of story. Move on.

I'd still hate it (I just think he's an anachronism - move on) , but it would at least be more believable. :)
KeithM - 12/9/2009, 6:39 PM
@KeithM- Ummmmmmm I think you mean Nightwing not Hawk. And even if it was more beleivable it doesn't make for an interesting story. Robin whether you like him or not is one of the largest parts of Batman's mythos. He has to be mentioned at least, he's been around a long time and I think Nolan needs to respect that.

Besides I'm starting to hate the Nolanverse, this realistic Batman who is in no way intelligent is just too much to bear. The movies are great the characters are great...all except Batman himself....Nolan just needs to go make a Batman movie.
Ryden - 12/9/2009, 6:44 PM
Ryden: "And so what if it's unrealistic it's a [frick]ing comic book movvie what do you expect!?!?!"

Have you been keeping up? Chris Nolan's watchword is "realism". Believability is key anyway, regardless. Even - and sometimes especially - with fantasy.

So, yeah, I EXPECT believability and a sense of realism, even in my fantasy, even in my comic book movies.

Grounding stuff like this (and LotR) with believable character behaviour and reactions and a thought to how things would actually "work" (whether super-powers, magic, or whatever) helps make the fantastical stuff more wondrous, not less.

More and more, we're seeing this approach - and I like it. 'Tis a good thing. Grown-up/intelligent > cheesy/don'tgiveatossaboutinternallogic.

I also don't know if you've noticed, but comic books themselves have been moving the same way. Fantastical stuff rooted in more believable characters and a more believable world around them (the thankful non-ignoring of the geopolitical consequences and effects on society these 'beings' would have).

The Batman movies are especially grounded in realism (perhaps just 'believability' is a better way to put it), because Nolan has gone out of his way to present the whole thing as "what if this were real". I'm all for this. THAT'S what I expect and long may it continue.
KeithM - 12/9/2009, 7:04 PM
Ryden: "Ummmmmmm I think you mean Nightwing not Hawk"

I would attempt to make out that I did it on purpose just to wind you up... but I can't lie. Busted. Typo!!!! (noob! :shame:).
KeithM - 12/9/2009, 7:07 PM
@KeithM- So what, you like all of your superheroic characters to be stripped of thier personality or traits in the process? That's ludicrous. I'm all for beilevable characters but grounding everything in reality creates a less exciting story and atmosphere. It's more interesting to see a very human character's reaction to an unimaginable thing or something fantasy-esque. And since when is LOTR grounded in reality? Elves, talking rings, demons, orks...yeah sure realistic. And comics may have gotten more serious but they certainly haven't become less fantastical. Also with your "grown up, intelligent" remark I suppose you're implying I'm childish to want superheroes to be superheroes. Wow.

The only reason Nolan grounded everything in reality is because he hasn't the imagination to use powers correctly. The evidence that he lacks an imagination lies in TDK, the amount of times that movie ripped off Burton's Batman is unbelievable.

Plus I would have figured you haven't been reading comics for a while since you called Nightwing, NightHAWK.
Ryden - 12/9/2009, 7:13 PM
Some version of the Knightfall story line featuring Arkham breakout and Bane Vs exhausted Batman would be nice.
EditNinja - 12/9/2009, 9:32 PM
Ryden: I've tried explaining in grown-up language, without being insulting - despite the fact that you don't seem to be able to hold a conversation without being an insulting little prick - but you still refuse to understand.

And still you keep insisting on putting words in my mouth I didn't say.

And you clearly have no sense of humour either.

Fine. You're a douche. I get it. I give up.
KeithM - 12/10/2009, 5:14 AM
I think it's funny that Keith M and Ryden are ACTUALLY arguing their points over the character......Robin...? Wow. Dudes....leave some of it at the door....ok. Oh, and Ryden....that statement about Nolan, "he hasn't the imagination to use powers correctly" and "lacks an imagination" is a pretty ignorant statement. Do you really believe that? Or was that just to piss off your girlfriend Keith M? I think it requires MORE imagination and balls to take a colorful character from the Batman comic's and attempt to place them beleiveably into a realistic setting while still being true to that character. You called it "grounding".....whatever. It takes NO thought process at all for a director to COMPLETLY transplant a character from the comics to the screen....and splash them in neon to boot. Burton did the same thing but instead of neon his canvas was goth. Now...don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Burton has no imagination (the Shoe can get f**ked) or anything like that. Just supporting my point, I enjoyed his two movies. Its just that Burton's imagination in his two movies was the world around his characters that he created not the characters themselves. They were complete transplants. With Nolan, his characters world is the world we live in. Not a whole lot of imagination needed there when all you have to do is walk outside your front door. Therfore.....his imagination and creativity lies solely on his characters. That I think is the more difficult task and the more dangerous task. Ask youself....whats the bigger risk for disappointment to fans.......transplanting a colorful character exactly from the comics to the screen and placing them in a fake-ass world....or taking that same colorful character and attempting to make them credible, beleivable and most daunting....... realalistic.
agentend - 12/10/2009, 5:45 AM
Ryden, I would really like to see you points of plagiarism by Nolan's TDK from Tim Burton's Batman. Ummmm....I dont see it. I dont remember Heath Ledger melting a guy with a hand buzzer or him having any toxic filled balloons over a crowd or a toxic chemical company for that matter. Amongst other things like....ummmm I dont know....a song and dance number. Oh...and I dont recall Bale having a BatPlane either or even a house to store it at. Well...I can go on and on, but I say this in all seriousness....have you really seen TDK? I ask because after some of your statements that you have made....I'm really wondering.
agentend - 12/10/2009, 6:29 AM
@KeithM- Whatever man

@agentend- Exscuse me? My girlfriend? Wow you should win a gold medal in insulting because that one was just amazing...thats sarcasm by the way. And how is it more imaginitive to immerse a character in realisim? I'm not saying I hate it, but to say that it is more imaginitive is just wrong. Grounding everything allows Nolan to use real world elements and put them in the Batman films, I'm all for that, but it is more imaginitive to take, as you said, a "colurful character" and exploit the supernatural or fantasy like themes which encorparate that character, such as Batman's almost flawless intelligence, incredible detective skills (both which were severley lacking in Nolan's films) or his superpowered rouges gallery and still some feeling of realisim or seriousness without deciding to just ground everything.

On the plagirisim, heres a list.

1. In Burton's Batman the Joker stands in the middle of a street egging Batman on to shoot him or kill him. Batman Batman misses and Joker shoots him down with a large gun.

In TDK the Joker eggs Batman on to run him over in the middle of a street. After Joker shoots the Batpod, Batman realises that he may kill Joker if he continues and so swerves to avoid a collision.

2. In Burton's Batman the Joker has a meeting with a number of mob bosses, he uses a "gag" to fry one of them.

In TDK the Joker has a meeting with a number of mob bosses, one person in the room dies after he uses a "magic trick" to kill them.

Also those things that you mentioned, like the toxic baloons and such. It's all out of the comics, by naming those you've absically confirmed that the Burton films are far more faithful than the Nolan ones.


Ryden - 12/10/2009, 8:52 AM
Well Nolan's interpretation is just one way you can go, but I think it's been a fantastic experiment in the genre and film itself, and shown how far you can take the Bat out of Gotham, but that you can't take Gotham out of the Bat.

You can love them or hate them, be it BB or TDK, but throu these concepts, Nolan's essentially combined several existing genres to create a new original and extreme one. And cbm's from here on out will be drawing certain elements from his formula, as well as Favreau's. I fail to see how this is a negative thing in any way whatsoever.
48and2 - 12/10/2009, 12:40 PM
@Ryden
frankly i agree with you, while i like the nolan films, and am ok with the realism aspects..nolan did screw up batmans character completely...not to mention with the realism aspect..many superpowered and great villains won't be used..which sucks.
and it also means that none of DC's other superhero movie franchises could crossover thus meaning bats will either not be in the justice league movie or we will get a reboot for it.

SuperSpidey - 12/10/2009, 2:56 PM
Thats it? Thats all you have? Thats your "UNBELIEVABLE rip-off" proof? Comparing two sceens that are ticky-tat at best. With the whole match edit between the two is a really lame basis for your argument. I could probably match edit Mary Poppins to TDK and Batman and find some simalarities. Ryden....you can match edit any two action movies and find similarities with sceens between the two....come on now. You have GOT to prove your point better than that if you are going to make ignorant statements. You know one more thing......I dont understand your point of view on that Batman is not "detective" enough for you in the Nolan films. What are you talking about? It goes back to my question....have you really seen TDK? Christ all Batman did in that film was detective work. From tracking mob money, to reconstucting a bullet for a print, going to Hong Kong, the cell phones, working with Harvey and Gordon on the mob and the Joker.....etc. What more does he have to do to get that "severley lacking detective skills" label off him in you eyes? He has done WAY MORE detectiving in Nolan's films than in Burton's. There is no comparison at all. Watch Burton's movies again....very little detective work in both films by Batman/Bruce Wayne. Those are the movies you are comparing to the comics as a more accurate portrail of Batman? I think you have it completly backwards.
agentend - 12/10/2009, 5:25 PM
@agentend- No scanning a bullet isn't detective work, that was just to show off some of his gadgets, which by the way he probably got Lucious Fox to build. Yay for Batman being a dumbass. And yes I have seen TDK and what detective work was there to do for him in Hong Kong? He was after Chou, he knew where Chou was..end of story, no detective work needed. And also tricking the mob is not detective work. Detective work involves a mystery and then (if successful) solving that mystery. In Burton's films Bruce Wayne discovered the Jokers real identity through DETECTIVE WORK.

How are they "tricky-tat"? Both were nearly identitical all that was switched was pieces of dialouge and vehicles and such. The video was just a representation of how similar they were in direction. And are you saying that the Nolan films are more accurate to the comics thna Burton's??? You must be mad! The only thing that Burton scrwed up from the comics was Batman killing and Joker killing Batman's parents. Other than that everything was accurate. Nolan's films on the other hand. The Joker in the comics had his skin bleached and has a permanant smile on his face he did not have scars or wear make-up. Batman in the comics is super-intelligent and nearly the perfect human being, in Nolan's films however Batman creates practically nothing, leaving all of the technical work to Lucious Fox and got his ass beat from a dog. I think it's YOU who hasn't been watching these films..or maybe you just don't read the comics.
Ryden - 12/10/2009, 6:32 PM
Nolan's take on Batman is the way to go. After seeing Sandman's battle with Siderman I'm glad we won't be getting any Clayface. I've got to agree with agentend and KeithM. In Batman Begins Batman went on stakeouts, like a detective, TDK tracking money and the bullet as well as modifying the phone thing. Saying that isnt detective work is like saying CSI are inept because they dont invent the tools they use. In addition Bruce was the one who noticed the clues on the dead officers badges.

Sure the scenes mentioned above are similar but the mob boss meeting thing is a staple in comics and action movies. One question if the scenes are so similar does that mean that Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace plagiarised or paid homage to Dr. No and Goldfinger?

Robin won't fit into Nolan's series in my opinion, Batman is still becoming the character we know and has support from Lucious and Alfred. The whole child endangerment thing doesnt work for me even in the comics (how old is Damien Wayne). Bruce wayne has lost Rachel, his parents and Harvey who was his only hope of being normal, I don't think he would expose a child to his world.
breakUbatman - 12/11/2009, 4:42 AM
@breakuBatman- The thing is though in things like CSI they have some sort of mystery to solve, that's detective work. It's like Sherlock Holmes, he has to be challenged mentally, it's not so much tracking people down as finding out WHO to track down and WHY. I think the realisim aspect works to an extenet, I do like it but I wouldn't call that a "faithful Batman" interpratation because in the comics he does fight villains like Clayface or Mr Feeze or Bane. And (minus Clayface) a lot of them have a good story to tell.

And I wouldn't say it was paying homage to the Burton films, the scenes were very similar.Besides I haven't seen Quantum of Solace ;)

I can see your point on Robin not showing up NOW because Batman's still young. However the lack of Harvey or Rachel I think would imply the arrival of Robin. Bruce would become a lot darker in both mind and personality, maybe pushing himself to the limit or spending more time as Batman. The arrival of Robin would save Bruce from his own insanity. Batman's always been one step away from cuckoo land, Robin's there to hold him back. He's the innocence and light that Bruce needs.


Ryden - 12/11/2009, 10:55 AM
Well put breakUbatman. Well.... Ryden....I think your points of veiw on these issues are complete nonsense and ignorant. I really do. But thats your right and your opinion. Oh..... one more thing to help you out....

From the American Heritage College Dictionary:

de.tec.tive (di-tek'tiv) n. A person, usually a member of a police force, who investigates crimes and obtains evidence or information. * adj. 1. Of of relating to detectives or their work.
agentend - 12/11/2009, 11:32 AM
Oh and one more, one more thing. Ryden..... you need to go back and watch Batman again, because the way Bruce Wyane discovers that Jack Napier is the Joker is no detective work at all. Its called RECOGNITION. Bruce Wyane recognized him when the Joker shot-up the steps of city hall and got into his getaway car. Remember....Bruce Wayne went up to the window. Then he goes home and tells Alfred that he thinks Jack Napier is still alive..... and then..........ORDERS Alfred to get him the files on Jack Napier!!!!!! Recognizing someone and then ordering someone else to get you the file on that person ....IS NOT DETECTIVE WORK. Please, Please , just stop with the nonsense. You are not winning this debate, you are only proving my point more and more, while making yourself look more ignorant.
agentend - 12/11/2009, 11:56 AM
Oh and one more, one more, one more thing. Take Kurt Cobain off as your user picture. Thats bugging the hell out of me that you make ignorant statements in here with that as you user picture. Your probably too young to have earn the right anyway.
agentend - 12/11/2009, 12:14 PM
@agentend- Calm down man. You're saying I'm ignorant when you just seem to rant, if you're going to debate at least do it in a civilised manner. I think when you resort to just rambling you've lost the debate..so good for you, you've lost.

I'm proving your point more and more? What exactly is your point? Because from the way you write it's hard to tell.

And what has Kurt Cobain got to do with my statements? Nirvana is my favourite band, if you don't like them, tough. And I'm 20 actually, not that it's any of your buisness in the first place.
Ryden - 12/11/2009, 2:04 PM
Hummmmm....how did I know that....there mine too.....since 89', kid. Thats why I told you that. Read it again. Anyway....whats exactly my point?.....disproving your ingnorant statements....I thought that was obvious. So did you go watch Batman again? Probably not. See, this is my point... you just remember that Wayne discovered who the Joker is, but not the DETAILS of how. Then you take that limited knowledge and make a statement to try to refute someone's point...that makes you ignorant. And dont get all butt hurt because someone's calling you on all the BS your typing.
agentend - 12/11/2009, 5:01 PM
That's still more detective work than the Nolan films. He looked into Napier and discovered he was Joker, not completley detective work but still more so than just distracting someone. (The phones) Which isn't detective work. The phones were a distraction.

So my statements aren't ignorant, you're just being a douche because you haven't got any more statements to make on the subject. I'm not writing bullshit at all, an opinion can't be bullshit, you;re just being close minded on this.

Like I said man at least TRY and argue like an adult kay' ;D

Oh and maybe I would have understood what you meant with the Nirvana thing IF you had written it a bit better. This is really going no-where.
Ryden - 12/11/2009, 5:17 PM
Soooo....you did see Batman apparently and now your changing your statement. Shocking. NOW, it wasn't "completly detective work"? Then you try to rationalize your ignorants with....what was it.... Oooooh, that's right....now he looked "into" Napier. LOL.....WOW...thats deep!!! Then you continue to defend you BS by trying to compare to something like the cell phones. LOL...Ok..OK......I'm done with this. Look the bottom line is....YOUR IGNORANT and the statements you make are nonsense because your ignorant. For the future, I suggest you watch what you type, or I wont be the last person that calls you on your BullShit. Have a nice day!!!!










agentend - 12/11/2009, 5:58 PM
Whatever man, I'm not ignorant just because my opinion is different from yours. And I wasn't changing my statement, all i said wa sit wasn't totally detective work, it still is though. You're the one who's ignorant since you seem to lack common courtesy or a use of grammer. Smell ya later.
Ryden - 12/11/2009, 6:55 PM
they played with the batbike last movie. just finished/ uploaded a design of mine that i've sitting on for about 20 years. now get to see it with wings unfurled.

http://terryasbatmandkr.multiply.com/photos/album/32/ra1batjetbike
terryasbatmandkr - 12/13/2009, 3:48 PM

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