Other Marvel Heroes Joining The MCU? Is It Possible?

With other studios such as Sony, and Fox, realizing their mistakes in their own franchises, and comparing their own films to Marvel's The Avengers box office success, only time will tell weather a team up with these characters could be possible.

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By superotherside - 10/7/2012
With the recent news of the X-men producer Lauren Shuler Donner answering she would love to have the X-men in an Avengers movie, (find more on that HERE) many (myself included) began to question the possibilities of this.



Some have feel the MCU should just be about the Avengers, but I like many others would like to see it expand from that. With Guardians Of The Galaxy and other probable non Avengers adaptions (Inhumans, Doctor Strange, Iron Fist, Defenders) we already are seeing the MCU grow beyond the Avengers. Marvel's The Avengers alone has not only made more money at the box office than every Spider-man film but nearly gained more box office than all five X-men films. Realizing that Marvel has done all of this with lesser known characters, Sony and Fox are just beginning to see how they could benefit from some kind of deal.

But with messed up continuity, down right awful acting, and some terrible adaptions from the Fox-men ahem, X-men franchise do we really want the X-men in the MCU? In my opinion we do, just not Fox's version.

Say what you want about X-men: First Class but besides some really great acting from Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy the film suffers from some terrible acting and dialogue (not to mention poor character adaptions etc.). Just think of X-men: First Class as a Marvel Studios film... You can't can you? Not only does it have no place in terms of continuity with Avengers (people would be used to people having super powers etc.) but it actually can't hold up to even the worst adaptions in the MCU. It also has done away with any continuity from other films making it more like a One-Shot comic. While it was very nearly ruined with the ending scene of The Incredible Hulk, Marvel understands that continuity is IMPORTANT.

On the other hand Fox thinks that each director should have his own separate vision for each film. For instance like The Wolverine is supposed to be in it's own continuity, which is fine, but they mean it's just a One-Shot. I wouldn't even be surprised if they even mess up the continuity from X-men: First Class to X-men: Days Of Future Past making perhaps both of them One-Shots as well.

This may be the reason Marvel has chosen to go with mostly TV directors (Joss Whedon, Alan Taylor, and Anthony and Joe Russo) with their newest slate of films. As pointed out superbly HERE, TV directors are used to having to deal with continuity from episode to episode, and realize if an one episode isn't received well, it could ruin the whole show.

Doubtless no one wants the MCU to be connected to the Fox's Fantastic Four franchise so lets move on to another current non-Marvel Studio related franchise is Sony's The Amazing Spider-man. While Oscorp was nearly placed in the background of New York City in Mavel's The Avengers, Sony and Marvel seem to have a somewhat strained relationship, yet publicly they put up a good front. While I thought that The Amazing Spider-man was either one of the best or the best Spider-man film to date, I still felt it lacking something. The problem is Sony lets their director take the film in any direction they want but then pulls the strings back hard cutting half their ideas out thus making at best, a very scrambled movie. Marvel on the opposite hand, knows what the franchise needs and thus pitches it to the director, yet lets him to make his own take on their vision. This has worked for the most part with success, although with TV directors doing a number of projects for them, it could work even better from here on.

Besides the Ghost Rider franchise, Sony has done a good job with their Marvel franchises, but they still haven't been learning from a lot of their mistakes. They let Sam Raimi do his own thing for two very successful movies, then on the third forced him to make a film he didn't want to make. If they wanted to use Venom for the third movie, they should have hired a director comfortable with him. Marvel isn't afraid to hire someone else if one director isn't comfortable with their vision, Sony shouldn't be either. Sony let Marc Webb craft his vision, yet ultimately cut most of his ideas out of the film. Thus Sony like Fox made themselves another good One-Shot film. Sadly as much I liked Sony's The Amazing Spider-man like the first Spider-man franchise and the X-men franchise, they don't fit in the MCU.

Several have said that Marvel doesn't take risks, yet Marvel has taken more risks than any of the other studios have. Marvel has made several films other studios never touched, and took risks with connecting the continuity of the characters as they could have had successful franchises by themselves. I'm not going to even mention that they made history when they made the multimillion dollar mash-up of genres in Marvel's The Avengers. Oh, wait... I did.



Now, if Fox, and Sony are smart, they should give creative control of the characters yet make a deal where they can both make money from the franchises. It would benefit them both, giving Marvel more film properties to use in their MCU, yet keeping up with the quality of the latest CBM's, and make millions for both studios.

Well, these are my ideas on how a deal with Sony/Fox/Marvel should be made, feel free to tell me your thoughts in a comment below.



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DrDoom - 10/7/2012, 7:23 AM
Screw Sony Pictures and Fox. Get your characters back, Marvel.
marvelstudios - 10/7/2012, 7:38 AM
Good write up. I agree with everything that was said. Marvel seriously needs to get back the rights to FF before a reboot is made. Spiderman and X-men rights won't be back anytime soon, but FF is still a possibility.
95 - 10/7/2012, 8:21 AM
I completely agree! Especially your analysis on First Class.
Tainted87 - 10/7/2012, 8:43 AM
AcidicHeart, how long will you keep this up?

If Marvel gets the rights back, how exactly are they going to afford all of these movies coming out every year? They'd be stretched so ridiculously thin that they would stop taking everything so seriously, stop caring about their treatment - they would become robotic.

I'm going to use a work example:
Our drive-thru target times for order-taking are 20 seconds or less. I have the order stored at an average of 11, unless they are ordering for their entire family. Gone is the personality. Gone is the time for any kind of small-talk. But hey, we make those targets, and the customers get their food faster, right?

Anyway, to the article at hand...
I think if the studio decided to loan them out, it would be in extended cameos. To expect more is to expect disappointment. And what characters would actually make their appearances? You'd have Wolverine, because he's the X-Men's most popular character.

He's probably my least favorite character.
Mrcool210 - 10/7/2012, 12:22 PM
i say the amazing spider-man can fit into the mcu, if they let marvel have control let marc webb have some kind of say in it too and get andrew to play the part again
EdgyOutsider - 10/7/2012, 12:26 PM
I must be the only one who really likes the X-Men films. Were Wolverine and X-Men: The Last Stand as good as the others? No. But I feel they aren't as bad as people make them out to be either. First Class is the best of the films. I'm surprised there are people who don't like it. Ah well. Opinions are assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.
EdgyOutsider - 10/7/2012, 12:32 PM
I'm just saying. Sure, continuity is important but even fans should watch the movies for enjoyment because that's what movies are suppose to do. They're suppose to entertain us.
DrDoom - 10/7/2012, 1:00 PM
@Mrcool210

Amazing Spider-Man can't fit into MCU because of one simple logic flaw: the Chitauri invaded New York.

IF:

ASM happened before the Chitauri invasion:
Spider-Man would have been involved in the battle of New York.

ASM happened after the Chitauri invasion:
There are no references to such a traumatic event in ASM.
Darklypse - 10/7/2012, 1:31 PM
Convenient Holiday?
fortycals - 10/7/2012, 1:45 PM
@ Lizard
I enjoyed the xmen movies myself. We talk about the risk Marvel took, then ignore the risk Fox took. While continuity is important, not even the comicbooks themselves are perfect. People hate fox for theirs and forgive marvel who should be way better at it. I personally dont think they care as much as others think. They put in easter eggs for comic fans that end up hurting them in the long run, ie the Stark in the hulk movie, selvig at the end of thor. I personally think putting the infinity guantlet in odins treasure room is going to bite them in the ass. Then people talk about xmen not staying faithfull to the comics when marvel themselves dont. Where is ant man and wasp, I dont hear a over welming out cry there. The movies were good so no one cared. Thats the way it should be. Why does marvel get a pass and not Fox.

Personally I thought Fox should have rebooted after last stand. I also dont want a big crossover between fox and Marvel. Just a little cooperation. Marvel being able to use and talk about mutants. Maybe a couple of references in each studios movie that ties the universes together, but no big crossover. Maybe even using each other characters here or there for cameos. Spiderman swinging through NY in an avengers movie background. Reed richards tech in an iron man movie. Simple stuff like that would go a long way.
fortycals - 10/7/2012, 1:53 PM
Then I love how people say take all of the good things out of the movie and it sucks. It makes no sense. Its like if i said take ironman and the hulk out of the avengers and the movie sucks.
DrDoom - 10/7/2012, 2:59 PM
@brazilianbatman

War Machine, Betty Ross and General Ross could be elsewhere.
Spider-Man lives in New York.

That's the difference.
lanternstorm - 10/7/2012, 5:37 PM
I actually liked the X-Men films with the exception of Last Stand... I also liked the Fantastic Four movies minus Galactus... I really enjoyed Spider-Man 3 and the Sam Raimi series as a whole. haven't seen the Sony Spider-Man yet, but am I one of the few who thoughrt Dare Devil was good?
ThunderKat - 10/7/2012, 7:39 PM
To the guy who said Marvel wouldn't handle all of the titles and would lose quality or stop caring: that's just silly.
Disney would be on top of Fort Knox instead of the pile of gold that is "The Avengers." Heck, that movie's take can well afford talent to move forward with all they desire.
Now, what might suffer is exposure of lesser characters: second tier Avengers or X-Men, The Defenders, Heroes for Hire, and the younger heroes. I would hypothesize that those heroes might make it into TV.
lokibane2012 - 10/7/2012, 9:51 PM
What exactly has suggested beyond a shadow of doubt that TASM happened before the Chitauri attack?

Am I missing something? Where was all this confirmed?
thebearjew - 10/8/2012, 12:06 AM
@lokibane2012 ya just because they didnt make reference to it happening doesnt mean it didnt but id say TASM happened a few months before the chitauri
thebearjew - 10/8/2012, 12:13 AM
i like xmen, x2 n first class especially first class plus i gotta give fox props on opening peoples minds to the idea of a superhero film being good
lokibane2012 - 10/8/2012, 6:53 AM
Why did TASM happen before the Avengers. That conclusion makes no sense...

Not even considering the release dates
Tainted87 - 10/8/2012, 7:08 AM
Hey, I loved the X-Men series. It was really far from flawless, but the way it incorporated different Claremont stories into a slightly-less fantastical setting was brave and ingenious. People like to give Fox crap for messing up The Last Stand, and yes indeed, due to executive meddling, what could have been amazing was bland and tired.

But what worked was the balance of so many characters, all important to each story, with some truly great actors. I would LOVE for them to mix it up with Marvel's characters, but again, I'm just not hoping for too much. Here's something YouTube has blocked me from uploading (copyright infringement and what not)...

CaptainAmerica31 - 10/8/2012, 9:17 AM
I don't want Spidey to be in the avengers, the tone of TASM and the feel is much different from TA. It would be cool and they could fit him in the timeline but he does not belong there. Tobey's spiderman however would fit into whole scheme of the avengers
YoungThanos - 10/8/2012, 3:32 PM
@brazilianbatman, What you don't get is that X-men should be doing the same numbers as Avenger's did. Not par with Thor or Captain America. If Fox wasn't so clueless about X-men's true value (story wise, not dollars) they would've been doing those numbers instead of desperately trying to ride Marvel's coat tails after the fact. If Marvel is smart they'll just leave Fox be. Other than buying back X-men or F4 completely that is... Because to do anything else would be detrimental to Marvel getting back the rights that should be there's anyway.
fortycals - 10/9/2012, 3:34 AM
@ sotojuiceman
Preach.

@ young thanos
Sorry man but only avengers is doing avengers numbers. Most movies couldnt dream of avengers bread. Xmen has the potential but timing wise its not gonna happen. Xmen helped start the trend, and avengers banked off of their success. X men have been in the movie game for over a decade, and no matter how good the movie is it will never be as fresh as the avengers.

Everyone shits on fox and sony because they own the rights, like they stole them or something. They were sold fair and square, and marvel wouldnt have been around today, to make avengers if it wasnt for those sells. I know if I paid for the rights I wouldnt just give them up, because of fanboy demands. I'd milk those titles dry. Hell of the big three marvel groups fox owns two FF/Xmen, and marvel owns the biggest avengers, sony owns the biggest solo character. If you want to hate some one hate marvel, for selling out, no the the companies who brought them.

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