Chris Nolan Talks Batman 3 Story, Villains And Superman Cross-Over

More from Nolan from the Empire interview. This time he discusses the direction the third Batman film in his trilogy will take, which villains we could(and won't) see and when(if at all) we might see some sort of Bats/Supes team up..

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By Mark "RorMachine" Cassidy - 6/4/2010
In the interview with Empire's Dan Jolin, Nolan remained fairly tight lipped about his involvement with both Batman 3 and the Superman reboot he is Godfathering, (apparently sub-titled The Man Of Steel). But he did reveal a few things. It turns out that even though Warner Bros have announced that the third Batman will go ahead and even have a release date, Nolan still hasn't signed on or committed to direct!...

" No, I haven't. There is a point where your just being precious about it and people get annoyed, but the God's honest truth is I work on one movie at a time(Inception), I'm only capable of doing that, so my head will continue to be firmly in this movie for the next few months."

Of course, its most likely academic that Nolan will direct. He goes on to say..

"My brother Jonathan is working on the screenplay. We came up with a story that we are very exited about. We particularly like where we are taking the characters and what the ending is. There are things for me to be very exited about in addressing the characters again, but ultimately it always comes down to the script, and can we make a great film from this? Thats something I will firmly be turning my attention to figuring out fairly soon. [This film will be] the ending of a story rather than infinitely blowing up the balloon and expanding the story"



Which brings us to the big question, cross-over. Fans have wanted to see a Batman/Superman team up/fight for a long time, and many(me included) thought that with Nolan being involved now with both characters next big screen appearances, that it would eventually lead to such a glorious event, much like Marvel's upcoming Avengers. Well, don't hold your breath! It seems as if Nolan is still adamant that both characters should remain in their own worlds, for now...

"Marvel are doing what they are doing and people will either respond to that really well or they won't. Its not something I ever applied a blanket rule to, but Marvel characters are very different to DC characters....You've got to go back to that element of "What do I see when I close my eyes and think of Batman/Superman?" And for me a big part of that is their individuality. They are extraordinary beings in an ordinary world....they are two very different characters but theres an elemental feeling of power in the iconography of those characters. To me thats originally because they stood alone, I need to hang onto that in my imagining of them"

Yes Chris, thats very true, but wouldn't that also make for an excellent dynamic if both characters crossed paths? Grrrrr! So it seems as if, for now at least, no cross-over. Although I can't help feeling that DC and Warner Bros may have a slightly different idea than Nolan does in where these films should eventually lead.

Thats almost it, except for the all important villain(s)! ..Its The Clock King! Only joking. Nolan obviously doesn't spill on who it is, he only says who it isn't..

"It won't be Mr Freeze"

Well, no big surprise their. But when questioned over the possibility of the returning, recast Joker after Heath Ledger's tragic death last year..

"No" says Nolan, emphatically and unhesitatingly. "I just don't feel comfortable talking about it"

So there you have it, no Joker. Since Nolan has already dismissed The Penguin, the smart money really is on The Riddler or(and) Catwoman, unless he decides to bring a less well known villain like Deadshot into the proceedings. Anyway, he doesn't give anything else away in the interview. All we do have from the previous films is Lucius Fox's(Morgan Freeman) little quip about Wayne's armor doing alright "Against cats". A foreshadowing of things to come? I certainly hope so.



Be sure to check out the latest issue of Empire for the full interview and lost of great stuff on Nolan's latest sci-fi thriller, Inception.

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Source: Empire Magazine
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dolor006 - 6/4/2010, 5:19 AM
crap. almost first. :(
"...[This Film will] be the ending of a story..."
BANE!!!! BRING IN BANE!!! He comes in and Breaks Batman's back and thats the end of the story! It could work!!! Batman is, after all, the "Dark Knight" now.. So they need someone to come in and take Batman out! So to me that only leaves three possible characters. First being Bane because that story line was pretty famous at one point and it would be, to me, a very interesting story to see on film. Then you have either Black mask and Deadshot if Bane is thrown out.

Black Mask would be my second choice. Not a big Deadshot fan...

What do you guys think?
Shaman - 6/4/2010, 5:20 AM
Clock King as a main villain would have been [frick]ING SPECTACULAR!!!! Hugh Laurie would have sold it entirely against Bale!!!

But i'm still on for Depp as Riddler! Hope it happens ;)

And my second wish would be to see Steve Buscemi as The Ventriloquist in the opening of the film as he gets taken down by Bats.
Polygame - 6/4/2010, 5:23 AM
Rudely said, but I do agree 100%.

Mr.Nolan, it is all about the fans, not what you want.
CorndogBurglar - 6/4/2010, 5:27 AM
yeah, he's been saying the whole time that they would take place in their own worlds. this shouldn't be surprising, even if it is fist shakingly frustrating.
Shaman - 6/4/2010, 5:32 AM
CDB- Good point, what a downer :(
Vital - 6/4/2010, 5:33 AM
Kes, calm down lol. And why are you talking shit? It's not like Nolan is on here looking at your bitching comment lol.
StrangerX - 6/4/2010, 5:34 AM
At this point it could be any character.
Destroyer14 - 6/4/2010, 5:37 AM
Interesting.
breakUbatman - 6/4/2010, 5:43 AM
I think Nolan is right, as the Batman saga stands why and where would there be a need for Superman, though Marvel seems to be pulling off the Avengers there's a reason why the tags are at the end of the movie. They first have to tell each characters story. Personally I'm happy with the way Batman stands.

It would make sense to have someone without powers like Green Arrow cameo and have Superman in Green Lantern or vice versa.

I honestly cant see a need for Superman in the Batman movies. Go Chris Go....

I love Bane and I hope they use him but the dynamic I had in mind was used in Iron Man 2
madhatta - 6/4/2010, 5:44 AM
Unfortunately, it's NOT about what the fans want but what the AUDIENCE will want and enjoy. If you do make a movie just for the fans you get "Kick-Ass" - A very good movie, very true to the comics, but is not a box-office success.
And box office success really is the bottom line: You can't expect a studio to back a film that will "please" a certain amount of the viewers, but won't return the investment.
That's not being inconsiderate of fans - It's just business. All we can do is trust in Nolan to deliver a movie as good or better than TDK and "Begins".
WolvieCBM - 6/4/2010, 5:44 AM
@ Ror: On that new cover for Empire Mag it says that they have a first look at THOR...did you maybe see that?
bsprecher - 6/4/2010, 5:48 AM
Great stuff, Ror! He's obviously going to be directing Batman 3. I'm sure he's just waiting for Inception to come out so that he can figure out how much to charge WB to direct Batman 3.

Sounds like the Riddler to me (and, that's what my insider source told me months back). Though, I keep thinking about Alfred's comment in TDK about how his new suit will protect him from "cats."
Orehrepus - 6/4/2010, 5:49 AM
"Although I can't help feeling that DC and Warner Bros may have a slightly different idea than Nolan does in where these films should eventually lead."

You may not be able to help it, Ror, but my take on this, seeing Nolan's character, is that either they do it his way or they do it with someone else. And after the gazillions Nolan gave them in the BO, would you think DC and Warner would let him off the franchise?

Excellent article, by the way, Ror, and excellent images to go with it. You're good.

I think Catwoman is a sure thing here, though not necessarily the main villain. That "should do alright against cats" must've meant something. LOL!
RorMachine - 6/4/2010, 6:04 AM
I actually got that feeling from his words too Multi. He sounds very certain that the end of the story will be a definitive grand finale. I'm not sure he would outright kill him, but he sound fairly adamant that there will be no continuation for his version of the character anyway.

As far as the whole fans vs his ideas thing, I see both sides. Yeah he should be mindful of the fans and its only logical progression to cross over these movies, but at the same time I do begrudgingly respect him for sticking to his guns and doing what he feels is the right thing to do for his versions of the characters. He is after all delivering amazing work, if that continues I think thats all that matter sin the end.
supertrackmonkey - 6/4/2010, 6:05 AM
@MultiPP:
I could see that happening with Nolan as the director. But I dont think WB would let him. Especially if they want a JLA film in the next 8 years.
supertrackmonkey - 6/4/2010, 6:08 AM
@MultiPP:
I could see that happening with Nolan as the director. But I dont think WB would let him. Especially if they want a JLA film in the next 8 years.
blueballs - 6/4/2010, 6:10 AM
@kes Dude take it easy, if you've learned anything from Spiderman 3 its that if the artist is uncomfortable about adding things that he doesnt want then the end product will suffer. So if he doesn't like the idea don't strong arm him into doing it or it will fail and you'll then be saying it was stupid that they put the 2 together. One day it will happen but for now you can always read the comic books, and wait for a film maker who wants to do it. Also never compare Nolan to Ratner, nolan does whats best for the story hes telling, Ratner sounds more like the director you want he'll do what ever the studio wants for a paycheck even if it doesnt make sense.
MassExecutions1 - 6/4/2010, 6:10 AM
Wow! That made people turn against a good director fast!

You know, if he doesn't think a cross over is a good idea he shouldn't direct it. It should happen, but not with him. That's down the road though. Everyone should be more concerned about a GOOD Superman movie first.
MassExecutions1 - 6/4/2010, 6:12 AM
Oh, and Javier Bardem for Bane. Watch No Country for Old Men and then tell me that wouldn't be awesome. We've seen Batman challenged mentally and psychologically, now we need a physical challenge as well as a mental one!
blueballs - 6/4/2010, 6:16 AM
It would be shocking to kill Batman but theres no way the bean counters would allow such an ending which would also mean that when the WB goes about continuing the franchise after Nolan is done they would once again have to re-boot Batman which sucks cause I dont want to see another origin movie with batman moping over his parents thats boring.
blankofthedead - 6/4/2010, 6:17 AM
IS ANYONE ELSE HAVING PROBLEMS ON THIS SITE!???

I tried 3 computers at my house the past 2 days and couldnt get on here... all i could do was MAYBE get to the main page but not read the content of an article, which is torture with the the cap pics, thor pics, walking dead zombies and chatter with nolan! Whats goin on here CBM.COM!! Even my work computer is showing me some glitches with the site. I figured it'd be the same for everyone and mabye hte site was malfunctioning but posts seem to be coming by the minute still.
Orphix - 6/4/2010, 6:17 AM
Poni@ My thoughts exactly. In fact I have a sneaky suspicion the Nolans (nope, not the band) have known what the grand sweep of this story has been since they wrote Batman Begins.

Was always gonna be a self contained story. Always gonna end with Batmans death. Always no room for a Superman crossover because he was never in the equation in the first place.

About Batman and Superman crossing paths? Well I think I am probably in the vast minority in this but I am kind of glad. I wanna see this story play out. See an epic batman tale told over three films. I think we're spoilt and lucky enough to have that. If it wasn't for Nolan, cinematically speaking, Batman & Robin would be the main vision most people would have of this character.

We don't have to show up if we don't like and have the right to complain but he also doesn't owe us anything. All he is focus on, and all he should be focused on, is telling great stories.
Orphix - 6/4/2010, 6:19 AM
Blueballs@ Just cos Christian Bales Batman dies it doesn't mean the franchise dies.

Just look at Spiderman.
Shaman - 6/4/2010, 6:30 AM
Sorry i missed out on your comment on my sketch article, Ror! Just incase you don't go back there, i don't know what redbubble is but i do have a Deviant Art page. Here's the url:

http://shaman1980.deviantart.com/
rodsvilaca - 6/4/2010, 6:30 AM
What about RED HOOD? Or maybe AZRAEL?
MassExecutions1 - 6/4/2010, 6:35 AM
Batman dies? You guys need to brush up on your spelling, because there's no "F" in way.

MAYBE he appears to die, but seeing the bullet riddled body of Bruce Wayne lying in a morgue? I don't think so.
blueballs - 6/4/2010, 6:44 AM
Orphix@ the franchise is no danger of being killed off however it does mean that the next time they make a Batman movie theres a 90% chance of a reboot where we have to sit through another 2 hours of setup for the charcter that we already know its one thing to change actors its another thing for an audience to see the character die, and then 3 years later in the next film be alive and well. The only way they could do it would be to have an opening like that of the Incredible Hulk where its a fast retelling of the origin in 3 mins and them bam heres our movie. It doesnt bother me if Nolan feels Batman needs to die at the end of his movie it bothers me that we have to start over with reintroductions to batman villains and so on and so forth. All I'm really saying is I'm tired of reboots and restarts they've become very tedious.
Shaman - 6/4/2010, 6:46 AM
MassExecutions1- AHA!!!! Good one!!! I'm writing this one down :))

Yeah, i'm kinda with you here bud! I think people are willing to suck his colonel too much for having made two great films that they wouldn't care if he offed him in the end. I'm not for that at all.

I can't believe most people are willing to see Nolan kill Batman but COMPLETELY go apeshit when Burton is mentionned for having made Joker the murderer of Bruce's parents. Sorry but that actually made sense while killing a legend doesn't. "Oh but it's an Elseworld..." Yeah, doesn't that excuse work both ways??? I don't mind for certain liberties to be taken but... Killing Batman? He's the goddamn Batman!!! Go kill Superman or somethin'... shit!

I realise that what i just said was quorky but Batman is a Legend while Superman is what could be considered a mighty half god. The fall of the mighty has always been interesting but a Legend is beyond death :) Which is why Bruce's apparent "death" sucked in the comics.
moraghan - 6/4/2010, 6:50 AM
I thought TDK was slow, clumsy and really not very illuminating or sensational...so to be honest i couldn't give a toss what he does next as long as it's an improvement on the drudge that went before....
Shaman - 6/4/2010, 6:51 AM
Tea- Yeah... they were Thrillers come to think of it...
Orphix - 6/4/2010, 6:53 AM
Blueballs@ Totally agree with you about the origin tales over and over again. Thats why it will be interesting to see what happens with Spiderman...but thats as far as my interest goes with that movie.

I was just commenting on your point that "theres no way the bean counters would allow such an ending". I'm just staying that I don't think they would be that worried with the current trend for reboots. They're just worried about the franchise - which is still just as strong regardless to how Nolan and Bale end their story.
selinakyle - 6/4/2010, 6:54 AM
I really want him to stay on. If he isn't quite ready for a 3rd installment why rush it? Is DC trying to catch up with marvel? Like Mass said, you need to get a great Superman movie first before thinking of a crossover.
MassExecutions1 - 6/4/2010, 6:56 AM
@teabag - That's why he has to get someone like JJ Abrams to do the directing on Superman, so its not just a thriller with no action.

@Shaman - And how to you kill off Batman when he hasn't been training a replacement? Nolan said there will never be a Robin, right? Batman Dies = Gotham is SCREWED! Especially since he won't kill people.
Orphix - 6/4/2010, 6:56 AM
Shamen@ I hear ya on the genre front. I saw the Nolan Batman films as 'police thrillers' more in the line of The Departed than 'action blockbuster'.

In fact, if you watch them with that in mind, they stand up as really excellent films.

Once they have shown the city of Gotham to have significantly changed, once it has saved itself from organised crime then there is no need for Batman. He may live happily ever after...

...but I ain't so sure.

Maybe his death is the ultimate act to change the city?
RorMachine - 6/4/2010, 6:58 AM
Well, I thought the action was just fine. What there was worked better with great writing and characters than a million splosions or karate kicks in a movie with [frick] all else going for it.

Mass, I doubt he will kill him in the bullet ridden corpse sense! I just mean that its possible he will make it a tragic ending..imply his death, suggest it. Maybe something different entirely. Anyway, Batman dies in the comics!!

Shaman, cheers, added you there:)
Shaman - 6/4/2010, 6:59 AM
Mass- Yeah, i mean i don't get why that's not obvious to everyone. What, upon Bruce's magical death, Gotham is saved for eternity??? Makes loads of sense...

Orphix- I'll definitely agree to that. They weren't what i would have prefered but excellent films in their own genre none the less.

Tea- That was so right on the money, it's tragic!

Ror- SWEET!!! And on Bruce's death, see my above comment that i just edited a few minutes ago. No not that one, the one before it ;P
dolor006 - 6/4/2010, 7:03 AM
Yeah he should die at the end. enter BANE!!! BREAK THE BAT!!!!
RorMachine - 6/4/2010, 7:12 AM
Tea, but they were decent in the context of those films. A bit more hand to hand and some better choreography would have been nice(although I still maintain all of the action worked better than in Burton's films) but to go along with the story that was being told I thought it was fine.

Shaman, yeah his death was silly but nobody ever thought he would stay dead! Again, silly. I'm just saying that if Nolan did decide to off Bats, its nothing that hasn't been done in the comics. Anyway, we are talking about something that he never even suggested! Just a vibe we picked up, probably way off!
mindform - 6/4/2010, 7:13 AM
He's the best. And as much as I'd like to see Superman and Batman share screentime, I trust his decision to keep them apart.
Shaman - 6/4/2010, 7:15 AM
Ror- True, you raise good points as always ;)

Just letting you know, i'm not that often on my DVA page so if you leave me comments, i might not reply as fast as i do on here LOL ;P
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