TDKR: Tom Hardy On The Differences Between BANE And THE JOKER; Anne Hathaway Thought She Was Up For HARLEY QUINN!

Hardy speaks about what motivates Bane and how he differs from Batman's most infamous villain, and Hathaway reveals that she was certain she was auditioning for another very specific female villain..

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By Mark "RorMachine" Cassidy - 4/12/2012
In more from Entertainment Weekly's Summer Preview issue, we hear from both of Batman's foes in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises. Tom Hardy talks about Bane's mysterious motivations, and while he doesn't reveal exactly why the masked wrecking ball has targeted Gotham and Batman, he does compare and contract the character to the villain of the last movie, The Joker. He also offers his thoughts on TDKR's place in the saga as a whole..



"The Joker didn't care-he just wanted to see the world burn, and he was a master of chaos and destruction, unscrupulous and crazy. Bane is not that guy. There's a very meticulous and calculated way about Bane. There is a huge orchestration of organization to his ambition."

Rises was conceived and written to bring a sense of unity-and finality-to the whole franchise. "It stands alone, yet completes a cyclical work," says Hardy. "Think triplets instead of one child after another - the Dark Knight triplets."


In this excerpt we learn that Anne Hathaway wasn't certain which character she was trying out for initially, and actually auditioned as The Joker's crazy female side-kick, Harley Quinn..

"She convinced herself that Nolan wasn't interested in reinterpreting a character who had already been done well enough (Hathaway loves Pfiefer's Catwoman) and was instead casting a lesser-known villainess from Batman's rogue's gallery named Harley Quinn. Nope. "About an hour into our meeting he said, 'It's Catwoman and I went 'Oh no, I played this wrong' says Hathaway. "I didn't think they would revisit that character because Michelle's performance is so iconic. But Chris just does his own thing"


That's an audition tape I would like to see. Many thanks to the lads from the TDKR fan community FB page for posting the excerpts.









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Wildaniel - 4/12/2012, 8:52 AM
Bane will kill you physically.

Joker will kill you emotionally.

I would love to see Harley Quinn in a movie someday!
VicSage - 4/12/2012, 9:12 AM
I dont know about Hardy's comparison. Joker had quite a bit planned out in TDK regardless of what he might've said. Sure, there were times when he got by by pure luck and skill, but others showed his immense planning and cunning. Both of them are introduced in the movies with these elaborate plans, twice now involving a heist of some sort. Both characters are intellectually outstanding manipulators and masters of mass destruction.

What separates the two is Joker's chaos and destruction aims to break his adversaries emotionally and mentally. Joker strikes at your will to carry on, your commitment to your principles, and ultimately, your sanity. Bane, on the other hand, seeks to challenge you in a battle of brain and brawn simultaneously, and with his skill set, he attempts to break you down in every possible way conceivable - mentally or emotionally - but primarily physically.

If Joker shatters your mind. Bane shatters your bones.
RorMachine - 4/12/2012, 9:23 AM
The Joker had some plans, but they changed frequently! He said himself he's like a "dog chasing a car", and that he wasn't a "schemer". At first he wanted batman dead, then decided he was too much fun and wanted him as a nemesis. At a whim he decided to blow up a hospital just to have fun with Coleman Reese. Now maybe his ultimate plan was in effect all along - to corrupt and bring down to his level Gotham's finest - but that doesn't mean he wasn't everything Hardy describes him as, In fact I'm pretty sure that's well documented and understood.
CPBuff22 - 4/12/2012, 9:26 AM
So let me get this straight. Ann Hathaway auditioned as Harley Quinn thinking that was the role and was still cast as Catwoman? Was there ever a time that Harley Quinn and Catwoman were even a little similar? Worries me.
nailbiter111 - 4/12/2012, 9:27 AM
why not just update your article? it's from the same source.
RorMachine - 4/12/2012, 9:32 AM
Nail, and? It's a lot more info.. the article would be jam packed. Anyone would have done the same.
jbak368 - 4/12/2012, 9:35 AM
When he said that stuff to Dent, he was lying. The Joker is first and foremost a master manipulator. He knew what to say to Dent to get him to do what The Joker wanted. And he also lied when he said he wanted to kill Batman. He just needed to get the mob to do what he wanted. It was all... part of the plan. That doesn't mean he isn't also good at improvising changes to the plan, but there was definitely an overall plan at work. The difference I think is in what the aim of that plan is - The Joker uses a plan with the aim of CAUSING chaos for everyone else. He doesn't want power or money, he just wants to [frick] with everyone. Bane's goals are more likely to be strategic and logical.
Ranger14 - 4/12/2012, 9:37 AM
"" DO I look like a guy with a plan?" - the Joker "

Sure, that's what the Joker wanted people to think...that he didn't have a plan and was crazy, but he had a reason behind everything he did and was more organized and calculating then I think some are giving him credit for.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 4/12/2012, 9:38 AM
The only plan the joker had was to prove to Batman that anyone can go crazy given the right circumstances. Or, to borrow from the killing joke one bad day can make someone go insane. He never wanted control of Gotham, nor did he think it was obtainable. He just had an ego and wanted to prove something to his perceived nemesis Batman. I think Grif is right to an extent that his whole plan revolved around Harvey Dent, but the audience was meant to believe something completely different. The Boat scene at the end was a distraction to buy Harvey Dent some time to go on his vengeance quest. Everything the joker did after the "mob" hired him was done to turn Harvey insane. Kind of like the Prestige, what you are watching isn't as important as what you are not watching.



Don't believe anything you hear about The Avengers until Saturday. However, if you are looking to not be spoiled I would go on an internet strike until it is released in your area.
Sortis - 4/12/2012, 9:39 AM
This doesn't even sound like Bane, he isn't some mastermind with a devious plot...it's freaking Bane! He isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. Nolan is obviously trying to make the character something he isn't with this one...
RorMachine - 4/12/2012, 9:40 AM
Yeah like I said, I think he always wanted to prove that anyone could turn into the type of man he was with just a little push, but I also think that he made some of the stuff up as he went along to best suit his plans. I think he did want batman dead at first, and the mob in his control, but then realizing how much fun he was having and what a worthy adversary he was he changed his mind. We'll never know for sure of course, but that's my take on it.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 4/12/2012, 9:41 AM
Oh boy, the fanboys are going to come after Sortis for that post. Be prepared my friend.
ShinjaTurtle - 4/12/2012, 9:42 AM
I tend to think that the Joker probably just put bombs anywhere he was able knowing they'd come in handy in the future.
Maybe he didn't know when or where he'd blow up his henchman, he just knew bombs were bound to be just the thing to turn the tide from time to time.
Plus I would say that having a lot of possible options and not knowing which one's you'll go with is like not having a set plan.
So I don't believe he was lying.
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 4/12/2012, 9:46 AM
@Ror

I agree. That is one of the reason I like the movie so much, because you can interpret the movie in many different ways. I don't think the Joker ever wanted Batman dead, because if that was the case he would have done it already. He didn't need the mob to kill him. I think he wanted the mob resources (ie the guys on the inside of the police force, major crimes unit, and every corrupt politician) to get after Harvey Dent, and make him go insane, in turn proving to everyone in Gotham and especially Batman that everyone can be just like him.
goatmilk - 4/12/2012, 9:52 AM
Wait so does that mean Hathaway read her Selina lines in a Harley voice for her audition? Like with the crazy Brooklyn girl accent? Seems weird they wouldn't explain to you what the role is before you started reading?
randymongoose - 4/12/2012, 9:53 AM
Sortis - have you read any Batman comics or have you just seen Batman and Robin? Bane is actually extremely clever and calculating it's just that that film made him out to be a dumb henchmen
OtakuPapi - 4/12/2012, 9:57 AM
The Joker was a Strategist everything he did was well planned out no matter how random it seemed and that was the genius behind the Joker nothing was as random as it seemed and he enjoyed himself as he did it.Just Sounds Like Hardy wants to say her perormance is superior...btw i hate CBM's new layout wdf.... Hathaway as Catwoman or Harley is a fail... she wouldve came off better attempting to play Harley though
SpiderFan35 - 4/12/2012, 9:57 AM
I do agree Joker was about anarchy and chaos and all that, but he did have diabolical schemes all over the place as well, crazy or not. Perhaps it can be better said that his motivation was different from Bane's.

@1980: For a guy who loves to report people you should probably avoid saying things that are actually report worthy, such as offensive slurs. SMH.

Macksimus - 4/12/2012, 9:59 AM
unlike the joker, bane has a mission or a goal to complete. He's a man with conviction and strong ideals/values. The Joker just wants to cause trouble and chaos; he's a lunatic.

The Joker is the polar opposite of Batman. Bane, however, is just like Batman; their only differences are their ideals and methods.

JMHO
MovieMann - 4/12/2012, 9:59 AM
@Sortis

You are very wrong my friend

Look up the character.
GingerBird - 4/12/2012, 10:06 AM
*sniff* *sniff* I smell Oscar nominations...
ralfinader - 4/12/2012, 10:17 AM
Yeah, the Joker didn't orchestrate anything in TDK...Did tiny Tom even see the movie? He missed the beginning of it at least, and the middle, and the end too I think. That was the beauty of Nolan's Joker, every situation the Joker was in, he was in control, up until the end when the people of Gotham proved him wrong.
CherryBomb - 4/12/2012, 10:36 AM
The only person who should be Harley Quinn
is MARLEY SHELTON

msullivan1945 - 4/12/2012, 10:40 AM
Nolan is a dickhole. I am pumped for the movie but him using Catwoman goes against all the claims a year ago that he wouldn't use a character that had already been done. I really don't disagree with the characters chosen, just the douche that is Chris Nolan for pretending like the series is original. Nolan is fag-salad.
Garmanbozia - 4/12/2012, 10:41 AM
The Joker's assaults were calculated but not the outcomes of them, that's what Hardy meant.
SmellofDuty - 4/12/2012, 10:42 AM
@Sortis Don't ever let me catch you on this site again. You don't know crap.
geokouba007 - 4/12/2012, 10:49 AM
DID ANYONE PAY ATTENTION TO THIS : In this excerpt we learn that Anne Hathaway wasn't certain which character she was trying out for initially, and actually auditioned as The Joker's crazy female side-kick, Harley Quinn..
I THINK HARLEY'S IN TDKR. WHY WOULD A BIG NAME ACTRESS HAVE THE IMPRESSION SHE WAS PLAYING HARLEY? WHERE WOULD SHE GET AN IDEA LIKE THAT. AND WHY WAS SHE TOLD SHE WAS AUDITIONING FOR CATWOMAN AN HOUR INTO THE MEETING?
MY BAT SENSE IS TINGLING !!!!!!!!
RorMachine - 4/12/2012, 10:53 AM
Tea, that is a [frick]ing creepy gif! What's it from?
batfan175 - 4/12/2012, 10:55 AM
I think people should at least give hathaway the props for wanting to respect Michelle Pfeiffer's unique interpretation of the character. While some have already begun to worry about the character i'd like to remind everybody that we already got a taste of Anne hathaway's catwoman in the trailer for this film and she rocked so far, nothing campy about her interpretation so i'm glad we're getting a serious version of the character.

As far as Hardy's statement goes i'm sure lots of people in the general moviegoing public don't think about these films for so long and i'm sure hardy had not that big of an interest in batman since he's way to cool to be a comicbook nerd. if he interpreted the film in a superficial way what's wrong with that? I also think that, since the Joker constantly changed his idea of what he wanted it could be seen as random. his plot to blow up the ships had nothing to do whatsoever with bringing down harvey Dent at that point so it's just fair to assume he just likes to mess with people in a big way. bane always was a guy who planned out every single step in advance and I think that's what Hardy wants to say: bane is not insane, he's a goal§driven, very intelligent brute, not someone who likes to blow stuff up just for the sake of it.
SpiderFan35 - 4/12/2012, 11:06 AM
geokouba007: I think she just thought that it could not be Catwoman because that had been done already, but yes it is weird that she would not know the role ahead of time.

And Joker had been done and it was re-done, so why not Catwoman? And what did the casting call say? Role of random female batman villain?

By God I think you're right lol.
RorMachine - 4/12/2012, 11:11 AM
Knossis, I'm not sure thinsg were thouyght out to that level! I mean you might be right, but it's equally as plausible, given the nature of the movie, that he simply called some of his many goons to go plant the bombs in the hour he gave the public to kill Reece. As I said, nobody really knows these little ins and outs. All I'm saying is that although The Joker is a master at manipulation and planning these big elaborate set pieces, I don't think he was LYING about being an anarchist or that he just "does things". I mean aside from anything else, that's been the character's MO since his inception (no pun intended)
AstroZombie - 4/12/2012, 11:23 AM
It's amazing how many people don't understand The Dark Knight. It was all a game to The Joker, rigging explosives and creating no win scenarios was just setting the board. "I just did what I do best. I took your little plan and I turned it on itself. Look what I did to this city with a few drums of gas and a couple of bullets." The part about "not having a plan" was about Gotham. Unlike everyone else he didn't have a master plan for Gotham. "Do I really look like a guy with a plan? You know what I am? I'm a dog chasing cars. I wouldn't know what to do with one if I caught it! You know, I just... *do* things." He didn't want to rule Gotham like the mob or clean it up like Gordon and Dent, he wanted to watch it destroy itself by throwing a monkey wrench into the machine and tearing down the established order because in his words it was "so boring." "Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos. I'm an agent of chaos. Oh, and you know the thing about chaos? It's fair!"
DavidGray - 4/12/2012, 11:32 AM
I don't get it... she went to an audition not knowing which character the audition was for?
Fogs - 4/12/2012, 12:41 PM
She didn't get Heath's death memo.

NeoBaggins - 4/12/2012, 12:43 PM
Hathaway assumed Pfiefers catwoman was a big deal because every chick wanted to dress up like her for Halloween. Nolan was like pffft, here, put this on.
VGK327 - 4/12/2012, 12:49 PM
I think in a few years when the reboot talks start rolling out Dakota Fanning would be a fun Harley Quinn.
ralfinader - 4/12/2012, 12:56 PM
If the $$'s are there, and they will be, then I expect a Batman reboot announced next year if not sooner.
jarel93 - 4/12/2012, 1:03 PM
@Sortis You obviously have only ever seen Batman and Robin and don't know who Bane really is. Therefore, we can all assume that you are about twelve years old.
thewonderer - 4/12/2012, 1:37 PM
@raffinader

No Batman reboot will be a tenth of how good Begins and TDK were. I almost don't want to see a reboot fail hard. Begins, TDK, and TDKR hopefully set a high high standard. Only director maybe MAYBE Darren Arronofsky
breakUbatman - 4/12/2012, 2:12 PM
Sortis, Sortis, Sortis,

Since you couldn't be bothered here some info for you

"Bane is highly intelligent; in Bane of the Demon, Ra's al Ghul says that Bane "has a mind equal to the greatest he has known."In prison, he taught himself various scientific disciplines equal to the level of understanding of leading experts in those fields. He knows six active languages and at least two additional arcane and dead ones. Among these are Spanish, English, Urdu, Argh, Persian, and Latin. The Bane of the Demon storyline reveals that he has a photographic memory. Within one year, he is able to deduce Batman's secret identity."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bane_%28comics%29
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