Negative Ranting on CBM - Some Things Users Need to Know Before Contributing...

Negative Ranting on CBM - Some Things Users Need to Know Before Contributing...

Galactus responds to a disgruntled ex-contributor's complaints, and explains how things run around here. Useful comments and user input appreciated, but negative CBM-bashers beware.

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By ComicBookMovie - 7/7/2012
Hi gang. Galactus here.

Recently, late in the night (coward), a disgruntled ex-user whom I had previously banned for constantly disparaging the site was able to get back in with a new IP address and post a Youtube video of himself ragging (again) on our beloved ComicBookMovie.com. His rant was a common one I've heard many times before, "My article was deleted unfairly ... An editor stole my news story ... and ... ComicBookMovie is biased."

(If you want to see the whole whiny thing, you can see it on YouTube HERE.)

I used to allow these negative "editorials" to stay up on the site mainly to show everybody that we could take honest criticism, and that we wanted user's input to improve the site, but I decided after awhile that most of these complaint articles weren't really "honest" at all because they contained quite a few false assumptions, and misleading accusations, as well as a misunderstanding about how we run things here. In fact, most of the whiners have not taken the time to read our style guide or learn the ropes. They just immediately want their work to appear on the homepage whether or not the article meets any of our guidelines.

So, while we try and address any concern that users bring up, I no longer allow CBM-bashing articles unless they expose a REAL issue that we want to debate in the comment section.

But noting that the comments in this particular rant were filled with other disgruntled contributors I figured it was time to clear some things up again. I have written other "explanation" articles for our users before, but I understand that some things need to be revisited from time to time for the newer users, and those who haven't fully explored our LEARN HOW section. So here goes...

If I miss any of your questions or concerns just comment them below and I'll add them to this article or answer them in the comments section.

1.) Why do my articles get deleted? #1 Reason is Duplicate Content...

For obvious reasons we cannot allow 20 articles of the same thing on the site. Contributors of "breaking news" should realize that they are competing with a LOT of other people for the same news. Before you post, you need to check to be sure that an article is not already posted. Our site is HUGE and it is becoming VERY competitive. If you can't hack it with the big boys, you had better write stuff that you don't have to compete for, like editorials or features. There is also a 10 minute lag time that regular users do not see but the volunteer editors can identify who was first, second, third, etc. Even so, they are not going to pick a sub-par "first" article over a much better "third" article. And frankly, if they all suck, the editor is free to write the same article himself if it would be too much work to "fix" one of the sub-par ones.

Just FYI, here are THE RULES that all volunteer editors are told about how to deal with dupes and competition among users:

THE ABSOLUTE RULE: The absolute rule for duplicates is "the best one wins" NOT "the first one wins".
CAVEAT #1. Always favor the earliest poster when duplicate articles are of similar quality.
CAVEAT #2. If you notice that duplicate articles (of similar quality) are between a frequent contributor vs. an infrequent or NEW contributor, you may want to favor the NEW/Infrequent one so that he is encouraged to contribute more often.
CAVEAT #3. If duplicate articles (of similar quality) involve an Editor, I expect the Editor to defer to the user.
CAVEAT #4. If duplicate articles (of similar quality) involve two Editors, refer to the absolute rule.


Other reasons articles get deleted are because they are plagiarized, not sourced, incomplete, have poor grammar, bad layouts, or just poor writing. We're pretty easy about letting stuff get past, but if you are not spell checking your articles or aren't making any point in your editorial, don't expect the volunteer editors to spend the time on it that you won't.

2.) But I see crappy articles on CBM all the time, so why can't my crap get past?

Two wrongs don't make a right. We have over 7.5 million monthly readers and a good many of them also contribute. We have around 10 volunteer editors who can only devote so much time to edit. The quick answer is that we do our best but we are shorthanded, and probably always will be. We try to help contributors to improve, and we email the author with an explanation when their articles are deleted, but we are only human beings and not perfect. It is up to you to make your articles as free from errors as possible to avoid deletion. Just realize that if you KNOW you're posting crap, you have no defense if we delete your article. The above kid ADMITTED he was posting crap, and instead of improving he decided to spam the site with CBM-bashing editorials.

3.) The volunteer editors steal from other contributors and abuse their power!!!

We have all made honest mistakes in editing others, but I haven't found any malicious intent when it occurs. If REAL evidence of abuse by my volunteers is brought to my attention, I will remove the editor's privileges immediately. I have done so in the past, but I've found that most of these accusations are false and come from the disgruntled contributors who get ticked off that their sub-par articles are removed or not immediately seen as home page material. Even the guy in the video above who started all of this ADMITTED that he misspelled words and submitted poor articles when he wasn't submitting CBM-bashing "editorials". So, if any of you can provide screenshots or ANY evidence of the volunteer editors abusing their power, I ask you to send it to me at Jim@comicbookmovie.com and I will take action. But put up, or shut up. Too many negative Nancys out there don't know what they are talking about.

4.) ComicBookMovie is unfair, biased and has an elitist group of users that run the whole thing.

That just isn't true. Here's how it works.
a) We allow EVERYONE who registers the ability to post on our site. If it is good, it gets moved from the tabbed sections to the homepage by our volunteer editors. But being on the main is a privilege, NOT a right. You earn it.
b) We give automatic "front page" privileges to ANY regular contributor who shows that they can consistently produce quality articles that don't need editing. Those that want to help out the site are given admin access and can affect all contributions.
c) Still, we are only human, so to be completely fair we have instituted a "like" system that allows users to vote an article to the homepage so that we don't overlook good user contributions. This feature makes it impossible to whine about biased editors.
d) The invitation is open to all to attain the VERY SAME "front page" privileges as our editors, but you have to put in the work. Many of our volunteer editors have worked long and hard to get where they are. Josh Wilding, who many of you are obsessing over, posted articles for over 2 years before he was given any privileges. Now he reps us at press junkets and screenings. All of the volunteer editors have gotten where they are because they put in the work and got really good at it. So, if you have what it takes, all you have to do is make me notice you. What this guy (above) did was make me notice him in a negative way.

Lastly, I want to say that we recognize that it is YOU, the loyal readers and contributors of CBM that have made our website a success. And we have encouraged fun debate and even a little chaos to reign on CBM in the name of free speech. But recently, with our growth, there has been an negative spirit entering into our community that I would like to erradicate. So, this is your notice that I will not put up with CBM-bashing, and I'd like the Marvel vs. DC warriors to chill out. I won't put up with some things, so don't do anything that would get you eaten.

Galactus Out!
DISCLAIMER: This article was submitted by a volunteer contributor who has agreed to our code of conduct. ComicBookMovie.com is protected from liability under "safe harbor" provisions and will disable users who knowingly commit plagiarism, piracy, trademark or copyright infringement. For expeditious removal, contact us HERE.
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DylansMyDog - 7/7/2012, 6:17 AM
"I used to allow these negative "editorials" to stay up on the site mainly to show everybody that we could take honest criticism, and that we wanted user's input to improve the site" - this policy should not have been abandoned. Everyone can see these people are whiners let them hang themselves. By removing them CMB looks like it is scared of criticism.

Galactus Insert: If I was scared of criticism I wouldn't have responded at all. I honestly do want to address this stuff, but I'm not making my entire site a platform for negative crybabies who didn't get their participation trophy.
Christuffer - 7/7/2012, 6:19 AM
Glad to see that the higher power is trying to stomp out the immature side of things. Another reason to love this website. Proud to be a part of it for four years plus.
Intothepoop - 7/7/2012, 6:19 AM
I think there should be a bit more regulation on spoilers in the titles. We had an TDKR article recently with the title "blah blah blah is actually blah blah blah! *SPOILERS*". Actually I recall a couple of those, where's the common sense? I think information like that should be titled "Which TDKR character has possibly been confirmed?"
RidiculousFanBoyDemands - 7/7/2012, 6:19 AM
That kid is like 12 lol. Some people are so sensitive. Once he actually touches a woman I assume he will stop caring about things such as hit article getting deleted on a comic book movie website.
topgooner187 - 7/7/2012, 6:20 AM
i did see the video tho an it was well funny that lil dweeb needs to spark a j an relax
StrangerX - 7/7/2012, 6:21 AM
I've been one of those unhappy users when an article I thought was relevant got deleted by some**** just to find another article that same day that was total crap about Halle Berry on up. It's cool tho.
TheOther - 7/7/2012, 6:22 AM
tsk. tsk. tsk.
topgooner187 - 7/7/2012, 6:25 AM
@spidey23 with spelling mistakes like yours im sure you should be fine ;)
NerdyGeek - 7/7/2012, 6:27 AM
CBM is my favorite website so I'm going to whine and b*tch about how I hate my favorite website.



What a bloody twat! :)
nikgrid - 7/7/2012, 6:27 AM
The kid was not in the right for posting the video like that, however dick move on CBMs part for the immature response to why his posts get deleted. What was it?...something like "your posts suck" or something like that? Way to take the high road CBM

Galactus Insert: You have no idea what this little weenie was doing (spamming) and saying about the site. And are you REALLY asking the owner of a comic book movie site to be mature?
topgooner187 - 7/7/2012, 6:30 AM
galactus is scurred i heard through the grapevine that a kid who looked just like the whiny complainer use to bully galactus when he was at school. FIGGHTTT!!!
topgooner187 - 7/7/2012, 6:31 AM
galactus - lord of complaining about the complainers
Amazo - 7/7/2012, 6:32 AM
The website doesn't bother me in the slightest.It's the tolerance of arseholes,repetitive trolls and arseholes,in the comments section that puts me off.
danwgriff - 7/7/2012, 6:34 AM
I have to agree though. I posted twice on here and both of my articles were the first up with the content. Less than five minutes later, the same CBM Editor had copied and pasted my article. I sent it out to my co-workers before it was deleted and they were asking me about it/saying sweet deal..... and then POOF its gone only to be replaced with the editor articles. It was pretty frustrating. Why even have the ability to let people contribute?

Galactus Insert: If that is true that an editor "copied and pasted" your article, and deleted yours, that would truly be reason to dump that editor, but I need some evidence of it.

Usually this is just a matter of a bunch of people posting the same article within the same time frame (10 mins) and the editor makes a judgement call who's gets to stay. If his is best and first, he is allowed to delete the others. Such are his privileges. As I explained above, popular breaking news can sometimes have 5-10 users posting it at the same time. The regulars are just better at it than most because they have been doing it for awhile. There is no need to always leap to malicious intent.
topgooner187 - 7/7/2012, 6:34 AM
"The website doesn't bother me in the slightest.It's the tolerance of arseholes,repetitive trolls and arseholes,in the comments section that puts me off. " - haha dude u got 2 arseholes
Philvis - 7/7/2012, 6:37 AM
I come here to read the news and not contribute. I may comment in the odd occasion, however, I have noticed over the past year more and more people commenting on an article about their original article being deleted and a more 'established'like user /editor having their article posted in its place. I have no desire to post stuff as I come here to just read about news, but sometimes you 've got to call a spade a spade. Lot of pussy footing around the fact that non-legitimate article deleting is a common practice. Some folks take their article writing seriously, so I think they do have the right to 'whine'profit about it.

Galactus Insert: We make every effort to allow posts and NOT delete them, but "I worked so hard on it" is not a reason to leave up an article that has 7 duplicates.
er101 - 7/7/2012, 6:37 AM
Man, over reaction much? Posting an article just because a kid had some valid criticism about the way he was treated. Not looking good on your part.

Galactus Insert: Not looking good for you keeping your account either.
danwgriff - 7/7/2012, 6:40 AM
I think I posted this article first too, by the way..... LOL
EditNinja - 7/7/2012, 6:42 AM
This is my favourite website for too many reasons to list.
If you don't like the rules, just find another site that'll make you a famous news editor!
Amazo - 7/7/2012, 6:42 AM
@topgooner187
This site has many arseholes!Are you one?
danwgriff - 7/7/2012, 6:43 AM
If we wrote for them, does that mean RorGuy would create an account and steal our posts.....
nikgrid - 7/7/2012, 6:46 AM
Hehe if Grif hasn't been banned then that kid sure as hell shouldn't...what was that again about tolerating arseholes.
TheOther - 7/7/2012, 6:47 AM
@Galactus @nikgrid: even though, you should reply politely. you should look after the image and name of this website.
Carnage302 - 7/7/2012, 6:47 AM
Careful 'G' that guy has a Ultimate Nullifier!
danwgriff - 7/7/2012, 6:49 AM
Oh snap.....
EditNinja - 7/7/2012, 6:50 AM
Wait till everybody's climbing over each other posting articles of Man Of Steel cam footage from SDCC next week! LOL!
MrReese - 7/7/2012, 6:50 AM
Love the site Big G!!

Anyway I usually don't put up articles so it doesn't bother me. XD & yes it does seem kinda whiney. It reminds me of sore losers saying [frick] that I'm outta here! or as Cartman would say...



XD
Karlel01 - 7/7/2012, 6:52 AM
I have to agree with CBM I watched the video and perhaps thought that the kid made some interesting points however reflecting back on it and reading this it seems like a fair response,there are rules to this site and I'm sure the ones who run it do the best they can and to be fair of course mistakes are going to be made but on the whole I think they do a great job and has opened a new hobby for me writing fan fic and editorials and want to say a huge thank you for them having this site letting me do that as so everyone else who posts or reads articles on this site.
jjmeylar - 7/7/2012, 6:54 AM
Thanks for not banning those of us who took his side. I've known that things can get rough with you guys, for a while. This knowledge doesn't deter me from coming here, though. The users have some of the best theories about upcoming films. Also: it's a lot easier to come here and find an article that has like four sources and post one link on my fan-page on facebook, than to post all four sources.

Galactus Insert: I don't ban anyone who is respectful and comments honestly.
EditNinja - 7/7/2012, 6:58 AM
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

danwgriff - 7/7/2012, 6:58 AM
@Galactus. I do not have evidence but I do know it was RorMachine that did it twice. I never received a response about why it happened but figured it was because he could make it a MAIN article. No big deal, you guys have come a long ways and I am sure that you are making dividends off of the site now. Congrats. A simple apology would suffice.

I don't think the Devourer of Worlds apologizes though.... Haha.
SamHell - 7/7/2012, 7:00 AM
CorndogBurglar - 7/7/2012, 7:00 AM
Something that people are overlooking is the fact that even the article that posted this video last night...WAS POSTED WRONG! They had the pic actually posted in the subheading/description of the article. Im no rocket surgeon, but posting articles is not that hard to understand.

Posting a pic in the subheading disrupts the entire page. But things like this are just par for the course for these whiny little shits with nothing better to do.
CPIXLEY - 7/7/2012, 7:01 AM
Look out Grif!!!
Xandera - 7/7/2012, 7:03 AM
Nice Write UpBig G!

I agree that there has been way to much negativity on this site lately.
And as a result, I have pretty much stopped commenting on articles.
I am so glad to see that the CBM Admin recognizes this and is doing what they can to correct the problem.
People just need to grow up and learn that you can't do whatever you want on other people's websites.
What these people are doing is basically running into Galactus' house and shitting on his kitchen table.
Kudos to you Big G for not tolerating it.
JoshWilding - 7/7/2012, 7:05 AM
Well said!

What a lot of people fail to understand when they post articles with no teaser images, no teaser text, and introductions like, "im 11 so go easy on me as its my furst artecle," is that none of us can be expected to completely rewrite their contributions in order to get them on the main page. Anyone can take a look at my first articles for CBM and they're not the best in all honesty, but they've now improved to a level where I'm being invited to see movies like The Amazing Spider-Man weeks before release and getting the opportunity to interview the likes of Barry Sonnenfeld and Marc Webb. I mean, do you think RorMachine got quoted in a TV spot for Prometheus by posting poorly written articles with no proper spelling or punctuation?

This kid is pathetic. Making a ten minute video to bitch about articles being deleted which he admits were substandard - he needs to grow up and start thinking about things which are actually important. This article sums the whole situation perfectly, but some people seem to think that just because CBM is a site which allows you to post anything, you don't need to make any sort of effort, especially as there are editors they assume will rewrite their stuff for them. In fact, you really shouldn't complain if your poorly written or plagiarised articles are deleted and then replaced with a properly written version.
Xandera - 7/7/2012, 7:06 AM
@JoshWilding - Amen Brutha!
Anthrax - 7/7/2012, 7:07 AM
THE KID HASNT EVEN HIT PUBERTY!
PeterParker1991 - 7/7/2012, 7:09 AM
Thank you Galactus. Do us all a favor and ban all the irritating haters cause they prevent this website from being as much fun as it could be.

Ex. Grif, Yoss, etc.
Anthrax - 7/7/2012, 7:10 AM
lol ive been with CBM for 2 or 3 years as a user never had troubles you know sometimes they beat you to the article happened to me many times before [frick]ing deal with it
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