COMICS: Tim Drake Joining The Dark Knight In BATMAN & ROBIN

Earlier today, some spoilers for Batman Inc. #8 caused a bit of a media maelstrom. We did our best to hide the info but by now I'm sure your all aware that Damian Wayne bites the big one. So what does that mean for Peter Tomasi's Batman & Robin?

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By Mark Julian - 2/25/2013



With the news of Damian's death in Batman Incorporated #8, many fans are anxious to learn who will be taking his place in Batman & Robin. CBR spoke to series writer Peter Tomasi to talk about the fallout.

Peter's response to learning that Morrison would be killing off Damian in Batman Inc. #8.

Peter Tomasi: I threw my hands up and yelled: "KHAAAAAN!-- Actually, I knew Damian was going to die for quite a while, but my first reaction truthfully was, "Damn, he's such an interesting character and one I love writing that I hope there's some way that Grant, over the course of time, will change his mind." As you'll see in "Batman, Incorporated" #8, it was not to be.

Tomais was actually there from the beginning as he was the editor of the Bat line during Damian initial introduction to DC Comics. He admits that if Damian had to die, he wishes it could've been in his book.

Peter Tomasi: I approached it knowing that I had an ending to work towards, and as I mentioned earlier, it gave me the freedom to keep our story centered on the hearts and minds of Bruce and Damian and not worry as much about the villain of the month angle. As long as we focused on that, I felt we were being true to our mission statement (which everyone can read in the back pages of the first collected volume "Batman and Robin: Born To Kill"). Now, as a writer, I'd be lying through my teeth if I said I didn't care that one of our main characters was getting killed off in another series -- if Damian had to die, I would have loved to craft that story. But Damian was Grant's baby, so he deserved, and of course earned, the right to bring his character to the fated doomsday he'd been working on for so many years.

The first story I knew I had to tell after Damian's death would be Bruce's reaction in "Batman and Robin" #18. It's an entirely silent issue; no text, no sound effects, storytelling at its purest form -- show don't tell -- and, holy crap, does Patrick Gleason show why, in my humble opinion, he might be one of the best Batman artists ever. He knocks it out of the park.

I think issues #17 and 18 of "Batman and Robin" show just how much Bruce needed Damian and Damian needed Bruce, and the reverberations of Damian's murder don't stop there. There are five stages of grief, and we intend to explore it in a very visceral way.The title of the series for the next several issues will change, the first being "Batman And Red Robin," the second being "Batman And Red Hood."


First Tim Drake and then Jason Todd will feature in Batman & Robin but it sounds like neither will be the permanent replacement. However, Tomasi plays coy when the interviewer tries to get a straight answer about Drake's role.

Peter Tomasi: I wouldn't jump to conclusions that Tim Drake is coming back in a big way. Red Robin is in issue #19, but not necessarily as a partner... I will say that I didn't want to take the usual road that's been travelled when it comes to the "Batman needs a Robin" angle.

With a title like Batman & Robin, we know that it's inevitable that someone will be stepping in to fill Damian's shoes. One prevailing question is which Batman-writer will be the one to decide who that is? Will it be Tomasi after all, or maybe Scott Snyder in the main Bat book or will Morrision himself balance the scales? Candidates include Drake, Todd, Harper Row, Carrie Kelley, Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown. Who would you like to see fight crime side by side with Batman?

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Source: CBR
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Rhysno1 - 2/25/2013, 3:23 PM
I'm sure he'll be back in a few years
TheSuperguy - 2/25/2013, 3:43 PM
I was just starting to accept Damien as Robin, he was pretty cool...
CaptainObvious - 2/25/2013, 3:54 PM
We all know DC likes their heroes having children as much as Marvel likes their heroes being married. Mainly, not at all. This is Roy Harper all over again.
BlackWindThaAstonishing - 2/25/2013, 4:03 PM
Damn it. I actually really liked Damien as a character. He was kinda screwed up, but that's what made him so interesting. I mean, he'll probably be back, but it won't be the same.
DrDoom - 2/25/2013, 4:10 PM
What's the point of having spoiler tags for the previous article if you spoil it in the headline of this article?

lolwut
MutantEquality - 2/25/2013, 4:14 PM
What happened to him being Batman in issue #700? That was a Hardcore Batman.

Guess he is coming back as a clone.

Bandido - 2/25/2013, 4:15 PM
Im still a lil bummed about his death but...

Harper! Harper! Harper! HARPER!
AraxisHT - 2/25/2013, 4:22 PM
I'm glad Damian is finally gone.
DamienGrayson - 2/25/2013, 4:24 PM
Man...

I'm a Big fan of Grant Morrison for the most part, but his superhero writing has been weak over the last little while.

Maybe the hiatus is what killed the momentum of Batman INC. but honestly I felt it was the weakest bat-book out there right now. I feel that if Damian has to be killed off it should've been in Batman and Robin. Development of the character was much better in that series. Morrison's Bat Inc just didn't cross into the new 52 well. The way he portrays the characters is way too different (and imo under-developed) to fit with the other bat titles.

Hate him or love him, letting Morrison kill him off is disservice to the character.
DCfan89 - 2/25/2013, 4:25 PM
who kills him? how does he die?
MutantEquality - 2/25/2013, 4:27 PM
@MrMxyzptlk - wasn't that how Jason came back? They can't do that again can they?
Tymminator - 2/25/2013, 4:31 PM
The Robin costume looks better (and is wayyyy hotter) on a female.

A friend of mine from work dressed as Robin last year and a pic of her dressed up as Robin is what pops up on my phone whenever she calls.

So, I'm throwing my vote in for a female Robin.
DeadManDann - 2/25/2013, 4:40 PM
Yeah, you really did your best hiding that spoiler, buddy. I mean, seriously?
Thythoutrust - 2/25/2013, 4:48 PM
I love Tim... but... just give him a new costume. Please?
SCURVYDOG619 - 2/25/2013, 4:50 PM
Damian has a Lazarus Pit in his future..
Thythoutrust - 2/25/2013, 4:51 PM
Damian will be back. They'll just make a Superman punch reality or something.
IgnurRant - 2/25/2013, 4:54 PM
Another reason why the current state of comics suck. I really hate comic deaths for the most part.
CaptainObvious - 2/25/2013, 4:55 PM
Why couldn't they kill Jason Todd. Red Hood and the Outlaws sucks.
tomasocelot - 2/25/2013, 4:56 PM
i say that this will be the reintroduction of stephanie brown or maybe the clone that kills damian will be retrained and he will continue on. I called his death back in a earlier post.
IgnurRant - 2/25/2013, 4:57 PM
Even though I liked the Death of Spiderman in the Ultimate Universe and I dig Miles Morales, it was still a stupid decision to kill Peter. I wanted to watch him grow into the greatest hero ever like everyone expected. Or Atleast see him grow past the age of 18, where SHIELD & Fury would have begun officially training him. He was being groomed as the next Captain America. sigh.
cartman87 - 2/25/2013, 5:00 PM
Stephanie Brown returns
storyteller - 2/25/2013, 5:02 PM
Stephanie Brown was never a real robin. You want to give her back her well deserved mantle as Batgirl, FINE! But don't sully the Robin legacy.

I will miss Damien but hopefully Drake can be redeemed because the new52 version kinda sucks.
Jhuntdaprodigy - 2/25/2013, 5:18 PM
I understand Morrison isn't involved in those stories, but IMO if they were gonna kill off Damian, they should've had Joker be the one to have done it in "Death Of The Family" Arc. It was a great story, but the ending was so anti-climatic, especially after such an extraordinary build-up.
Wolfy1 - 2/25/2013, 5:32 PM
IMHO, Damien was an annoying little sh*t. I couldn't stand him in any way, shape, or form and was really, really hoping in one way or another he'd just disappear from the comics entirely. I was just disappointed that his character was even written into Bruce's life in the first place. But to make it worse, I don't see any real redeemable qualities to that character at all. He makes Jason Todd as appealing as Dick Grayson, and that's saying a lot. Good riddance!!!!!!
GLprime2814 - 2/25/2013, 6:16 PM
Remember you all Damian is also and Al'Ghul so there's probably one in talias back yard.
Or what if Bruce had one under the batcave but never told anyone, for that one instance that batman has no other options.
superherofan21 - 2/25/2013, 6:17 PM
I hope Tim is back in the Robin suit.
Darkknight23 - 2/25/2013, 6:44 PM
I hate this
JayJayCAW - 2/25/2013, 6:48 PM
Damian is gonna come back the same way as Jason Todd, and he's going to be even more psycho than before lol
rodddb - 2/25/2013, 7:11 PM
Tim Drake pleaseee
Shadowmaster35 - 2/25/2013, 7:35 PM
I was just starting to accept Damien as Robin too. Honestly tho if they were gonna kill him anyway they should have freakin done it in Death in the Family. Woulda had a little more impact. And if Drake is goin back at least let him stay Red Robin, I like that costume now.
TheGrayGhost - 2/25/2013, 7:49 PM
Well at least this way I will be saving $3-4 a month (or just reallocating it to the booze/bimbo fund) until if/when they bring him back. I liked Damian, but even more like the whole dynamic between him and Bruce.

Hope the next Robin is a shitty character though if they wait a while before they do bring him back b/c he will probably: 1) be pissed to see he has been replaced by someone inferior in his eyes, 2) be a semi-to-fully brainwashed al Ghul, and 3) choke a bitch.
duncboy - 2/25/2013, 7:56 PM
They are probably killing him off so they can make Katana the new side-kick for Batman, all so that it will line up with Beware The Batman, what a crapshoot! I liked Damian.
Gimmemorathat19 - 2/25/2013, 8:20 PM
Todd should get one more chance at being Robin i think. He is a more interesting character than all the others. I also think he will take Damiens spot due to the fact that he was looking at damien lately as a little brother and he would want to avenge him, first as the Red Hood then as Robin
Asterisk - 2/25/2013, 8:34 PM
Here's an idea:

Jason Todd: Red Hood.
Dick Grayson: Nightwing.
Tim Drake: Red Robin (Though I still think he should become Wayne's successor as the Bat, I think he deserves it as much as Connor deserved being Superman)
Harper Row: Robin.
Barbara Gordon: Oracle.
Stephanie Brown: Spoiler.
Cassandra Cain: Batgirl.

Simple.
Shadowelfz - 2/25/2013, 8:46 PM
Awesome. I read a little bit of Tomasi's Batman and Robin and, though I hate Damien, I was impressed with his writing.

If anyone other than Damien fills those shoes I will pick up this series. Harper Row will be cool.
ColonelKilgore - 2/25/2013, 9:27 PM
Actually, I was not aware of this. Thanks for the spoiler warning you piece of shit.
NoJobBOB - 2/25/2013, 11:36 PM
I also wasn't aware of this but it's cool. I didn't like Damian.
Jlocklin - 2/26/2013, 2:42 AM
I didn't know. I didn't want to know. I was just flipping through the headlines. Thanks for ruining it.When you assume you make an ass out of u and me.

DOUCHE!
Opt1mu5Pr1m4l - 2/26/2013, 5:02 AM
I think Tim Drake should be Robin. He was awesome in the original universe. Can't really get my head around the New 52.
pepe - 2/26/2013, 5:37 AM
Aaahh... Finally!!!! Good news
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