Grant Gustin & John Wesley Shipp Spotted On The Set of THE FLASH

The Flash series officially began production this past Sunday. The two flashes were spotted on the set in Vancouver earlier this week, both sporting red clothing. What do you guys think?

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By THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 3/6/2014










Granted, Grant is not in costume but the choice of clothing on John Wesely Shipp is interesting. It could be just speculation, but the red hoodie could reveal that his character, is in fact, Jay Garrick.

The Flash is an upcoming American television series developed by writer/producers Greg Berlanti, Andrew Kreisberg and Geoff Johns, to air on The CW. It will be based on the DC Comics character Flash (Barry Allen), a costumed crime-fighter who was created by Robert Kanigher, John Broome and Carmine Infantino. It is intended to be a spin-off to Arrow, existing in the same universe. A pilot, to be written by Berlanti, Kreisberg and Johns, and directed by David Nutter, has been greenlit.

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n1ghtw1ng2832 - 3/6/2014, 4:40 PM
Awesome!
Fastestmanalive - 3/6/2014, 4:42 PM
That is some pure awesomeness rite there.

Shipp should be Jay for sure. He looks the part now.

This show looks great but I still think Gustin looks too young.
ManofSteel22 - 3/6/2014, 4:42 PM
Cant wait, I like flash as a character but I have never read his comics but I am looking forward to this if its anything like arrow
Himura - 3/6/2014, 4:46 PM
THAT is what I call fan service
MrCBM56 - 3/6/2014, 4:47 PM
Show will rock.
ezio619 - 3/6/2014, 4:48 PM
i am so excited for this show,i really like grant as barry
redlion - 3/6/2014, 4:50 PM
Looking forward to my favorite DC character on the small screen. Man, I used to love the old Flash series and I hated it when they cancelled it.
RichardBoldly - 3/6/2014, 4:51 PM
JoeMomma29 - 3/6/2014, 4:53 PM
Yeah that is awesome to say the least.
Pasto - 3/6/2014, 4:53 PM
Here we go, show me the money maker.
JerBear - 3/6/2014, 4:57 PM
Grant Gustin just doesn't do it for me.
Arrowhead77 - 3/6/2014, 5:00 PM
Cool!
Knightrider - 3/6/2014, 5:00 PM
Jay Garrick or he is Earth 2 Flash, which would connect the original TV Series.
MrReese - 3/6/2014, 5:03 PM
CW>>>>>AB-[frick]ING- C!!!!
thewonderer - 3/6/2014, 5:11 PM
Grant Gustin IS Barry Allen/Flash

[frick] yes, this show will own.
Nomis - 3/6/2014, 5:16 PM
THIS IS TOO COOL!!!!

Old school and New School!

Jay Garrick and Barry Allen!
typicalfanboy - 3/6/2014, 5:25 PM
he's gotta be barry's dad.
typicalfanboy - 3/6/2014, 5:27 PM
or a twist could be that he was an actor that portrayed "jay garrick" on a flash tv show, based on the comic, which inspires barry to create the costume and take his moniker. it plays better than an alternate universe or that he's a comic book character that barry read as a kid(just like the comic)
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 3/6/2014, 5:29 PM
crashrendar
I could totally see them doing that
MrDonut - 3/6/2014, 5:29 PM
Wish both Gustin and Amell were 'blonder' but that's just my fanboy-OCD, either way am stoked- liked him in the role and hope this owns.
NetmanTripleSec - 3/6/2014, 5:31 PM
Awesome. Just fix the ear pieces on Gustin's suit to look more like the comic book ones and less like his logo just half assed slapped to the sides of his head and we're good to go. JWS is the man.
MileyAbominationClone - 3/6/2014, 5:38 PM
Looks like another awesome DC show. Sexy!
BubSnikt - 3/6/2014, 5:44 PM
Gustin looks great

@MrDonut - Isnt it weird how they can never cast a blonde superhero? We have Chris Evans as Cap and Human Torch, Michael B. Jordan as the Torch, Stephen Amell as Green Arrow, Caity Lotz as Black Canary, Gustin as Flash, Michael Douglas as Hank Pym, Chris Hemsworth as Thor, Kate Mara as Invinsible Woman, even Renner as Hawkeye. They're all traditionally blonde characters played by actors with darker hair. Just pointing that out...
soforizo - 3/6/2014, 5:49 PM
@NetmanTripleSec

Please some me a live-action picture where the comic book ones work???

Every single well-meaning design I've seen looks silly, because those ears don't translate as well once a sense of depth is added to them.




The only other plausible alternative I can think of, is to have them the cb design there like this show's version (in place of the lightning), and not sticking out like in the comics. But at that point it wouldn't be like the comics also, so you're back to square one.
soforizo - 3/6/2014, 6:06 PM
Here's another example:



Here's what we got:



...I prefer what we got.
DeathstrokeTerminator - 3/6/2014, 6:16 PM
@Soforio
I like what they went with, but they definitely could have gone the winged route, it's no less ridiculous than Batman having actual Horns on his cowl
soforizo - 3/6/2014, 6:42 PM
@Deathstroke

And perhaps they tried it, and didn't like how it looked. The Batman design is a much easier venture imo.
DCeddie - 3/6/2014, 6:43 PM
I'm with ya Mr. Donut, wish they were blonder...
NetmanTripleSec - 3/6/2014, 7:21 PM
Those robo Iron Man Flash looking pics (re: everything you posted that's not the old TV show suit) are NOT The Flash. The ear pieces are NOT wings. Captain America and Thor have wings and are supposed to have them, The Flash does not, his are more fin like and pointy, streamlined and sleek.


Here are the thoughts of a diehard Flash fan on Grant Gustin's Flash suit:


The Good:

Grant's head looks great in it. Relieved to see the material isn't armor like and that there's no visors or goggles (thank God). I like the way the cowl is cut and how it sits on his face, with his nose slightly exposed (unlike the 90s tv show suit, which had the nose piece (my only menial complaint about it along with the fake muscles in retrospect, although I get why the suit looked like that at the time, it was par for the course and state of the art, so I am not going to hold the 90s suit over the coals for that, obviously the rubber muscle suit is no longer trending these days so I wouldn't expect to see it, naturally, on a current incarnation of the character, however, the tv show did at least provide a logical explanation for it so I will give it points for that)). I like how the mask scallops to a point on his cheeks and dips back toward his ears, it looks sleek and cool and exactly the way the mask should look in live action. I also like the
choice of material being used, while it does look a little leather like, the pic is very dim, and it isn't spandex and doesn't have those ridiculous chainmaily looking insignias all over it, these are good things to me, I like that the material looks mostly solid. It looks tough. Again, it is hard to say for sure because of how dim the pic is, but if the suit itself is a crimson red, and it may be, I think that is absolutely the way to go, and I love the sleek gold metallic look for the yellow areas of the costume. That was always the way to do The Flash's "yellow" areas, the lightning trim, however they did the suit in live action. I also like that we can see his eyes, and am very pleased that he doesn't have any sort of makeup or eyeliner along his eyelids, etc, like Batman and Green Arrow - unlike them, we are supposed to see that The Flash's skin is very separate from his mask. This is a good clean look for him and I'm glad they kept that.


The Bad:

I hate to be the stick in the mud, but the ear pieces are HORRENDOUS. My biggest complaint oddly isn't the chin strap, it's the damn ear pieces. They look like they half assed the symbol on his chest and just stuck it on his ears. This is bad. They are not supposed to be miniature Flash logos, they are supposed to be fin like, not little Flash lightning symbols. And I'm not complaining because it "isn't the look from the comics, and I want that no matter how 'silly' it is!!!", I'm complaining because it just looks bad and what is in the comics looks remarkably better. The people who are saying it looks great I feel aren't that familiar with The Flash visually and are maybe judging it as a whole (albeit prematurely - but I guess we all are as there's no body shot yet). There needs to be an actual ear PIECE (the ROUND, solid circular part that contains the police scanner, not the fin part, the fin needs to be attached to that, it needs to be solid and
round, not just a circular outline), and there's a way to do them and have them look cool, like how Ethan Van Sciver draws them:







THIS is how they need to look in live action - they look sleek and sharp, gold, and cool. They don't look like little wings but they don't look like little Flash lightning logos, either, what they look like is unique and just all around pretty cool, they don't look flimsy, either.


They always seem to want to screw with the ear pieces somewhat (see the Injustice game), what the ear pieces are like now remind me of the suit from the failed Justice League TV pilot from the 90s, only difference is this suit has a gold circular outline the bolts attach to:







(that suit even appears to have a "collar", but we'll get to that...)

Oh, and here's what else it reminded me of:




As you can see, a change like that, however small it may seem to some, drastically detracts from The Flash's look as a whole and instead of making him look sleek and cool just makes him look kind of dorky, which is a fine line with a character like The Flash, it's something that's really easy for him to fall into because of the nature of his costume - if you do it wrong you screw it up pretty bad. It's why it's mostly went unchanged in the comics, it's such a perfect design the most people can think to do with it to "improve" it is to give it a chin strap and draw lines all over it, any tweaks usually dilute it).

The collar is the next thing that bugs me but at a much, MUCH smaller level. I can deal with a collar

as long as they get the ear pieces right, but I do think if a "collar" is what they are going for, they could smooth it down and make it stand out less, that would be a good way to go about it, IMO, they don't have to make it so the cowl connects directly to the chest of the suit if they want the two broken up for "mobility" or whatever, I have no qualms with that, just that it look as seamless and fluid as possible. The chin strap I expected it to have so it is no surprise to me at all that it's there, and while I can definitely do without it and prefer it not be there because it is pretty ugly and distracting looking, it's not a deal breaker for me, I'm willing to accept all of this stuff so long as they get the ear pieces right.

The suit does look dark but I'm thinking that's mostly in part because that's how the image itself looks and not the suit itself, the pic is pretty dark (and I imagine that's for good reason as far as the producers are concerned, it does make me a bit apprehensive I will admit but there's still a lot of potential with this, I hope the rest of the suit is good).


Final thoughts:

While it could be better, it could also be a lot worse, but 1) we haven't seen the entire suit so far, so I will withold final judgments until then, but going off of what we have seen so far, I will say I don't have complete faith in what the whole suit itself will be, I'm concerned they won't get the logo right, he'll be in sneakers, and worse, he'll be in some sort of DareDevil zipper coat thing, it will just be disappointing if true - and 2) HOWEVER, this is the BEGINNING, many things may be subject to change and improvements to the suit could be made and they could fix the things I mentioned with further seasons and we may end up with the right look after all, Arrow did this with its second season, it's also possible The Flash could take the same route (although the more they get right out the gate the better, but I digress, I will give it a chance). Right now, of the two, John Wesley Shipp's 90s Flash suit still has the upper hand, even with the
nose piece, it remains the superior cowl, CW/WB has plenty of room to step it up with this.



(Even the ear piece on the old Flash tv show suit looks pretty good - it's amazing how much right they got back then over 20 years ago and how it still holds while all the crap that came after is just awful, even by the standards of the time in which they were made)

On Gustin:

I think he looks like Chris Pine in the pic for some reason (good thing to me, I think Pine would make a great Barry Allen). Does anybody else see it? Something about the shape of his head, the eyes, and the smile - smile, that's another thing, I like the look on Gustin's face here, very Flash like, it's a pleasure to see that instead of another grimace.

Bottom line: These ear pieces don't look like they could contain anything; they look transparent. The round piece contains the bulk of the scanner while the long rod like part contains the receptor. It just looks stupid when compared to the comics look and is a bad design, like they just tacked The Flash's chest logo to the sides of his head half assedly.

So, Fix the ear pieces on The Flash suit to how they look in the comics. The way they look now, like his chest symbol mashed on the sides of his head, look stupid.

Please FIX, CW/WB.

These are my demands. That is all.

To re-iterate: Ear pieces on Gustin's suit look like shit. The comics look not only looks better but also more realistic, the design we have here is some half wit costume designer wanting to put his spin on it who, as the ear piece designss themselves demonstrate, c;early doesn't get it. They are police scanners/communication devices. The Gustin suit has them looking like little Flash logos that are hollow and for decoration, in the comics they served a purpose and looked cool and worked stylistically, the ones Gustin has on look like they could serve no purpose, and they don't even work stylistically/look cool, either.
Himura - 3/6/2014, 7:35 PM
You guys want to see a cowl?
THIS is a cowl

soforizo - 3/6/2014, 7:59 PM
@NetmanTripleSec

We'll have to agree to disagree. I didn't think the ears from old Flash costume where good. I certainly loved the show and the heart behind it, but I found it admittedly corny.

I'm not against the producers trying to recreate, but seeing how the present outcome is a slight deviation, I take by that it possibly didn't look as good as what we got.
soforizo - 3/6/2014, 8:03 PM
@Himura

It's better than the last one I put, but I just find them odd. It reminds me somewhat to Hawkman (even though it's obviously different). I know it irks some fans, but I'm the type who doesn't mind minor alterations.
NetmanTripleSec - 3/6/2014, 8:20 PM
The old Flash TV show wasn't perfect but the costume was state of the art at the time, remember, rubber muscles were what armor is in everything today, the "in" thing.


The old TV show suit's ear pieces are a hundred times better than the ones Gustin has in the TV show, they don't even look solid, and guys, every pic you've posted of Flash cowl designs has been terrible and nothing like what The Flash should wear.

The ear pieces should look EXACTLY how Ethan Van Sciver draws them. They look perfect there, that is the example to draw from, and the only example they need. The other ones are shit. The EVS look is the best stylistically and realistically. All those plastic cowls you guys have been posting are terrible.
NetmanTripleSec - 3/6/2014, 8:21 PM
Look how cool and sleek and trim EVS draws them. They're PERFECT. EXACTLY what is needed for live action.
antoineflemming - 3/6/2014, 8:42 PM
NetmanTripleSec, stop posting your article in comments. Figure out a way to make a TL;DR, or better yet just stop posting. We get it. I agree with you (the better solution would have been to go the MCU Captain America route, or at least fill in the circle with gold), but you don't need to keep posting that.

Anyway, he's probably gonna be Jay Garrick, and he'll probably give Barry purpose to be the Flash.
Kurne - 3/6/2014, 9:29 PM
Uncanny.

BlackIceJoe - 3/6/2014, 9:37 PM
It will be great to see Barry and Jay team up. Being completely honest though I am not really a fan of Grant. He's also younger then I would want playing Barry. I always think of him being in his mid 30s or even early 40s and Wally in his 20s. Which is around the same age Grant is. Which leads me wanting some one older for the big screen version. My personal pick has been John Krasinski for Barry. So I really hope that the big screen and small screen versions are in their own separate universes. This way the fans can get a flash movie too. Because I doubt WB will give Grant his own movie and tv show. That all being said I can't wait to see what they do with this show.
NetmanTripleSec - 3/6/2014, 9:42 PM
@antoine

Thanks you, but I only repost it because it pretty much sums my opinion up when I have to repeat and explain myself for people who haven't heard it yet. It's basically there for those who haven't seen it in case they haven't seen it for when the topic at hand comes up.
loki668 - 3/7/2014, 1:06 AM
I hope that he's playing Jay Garrick. Beyond that, I'm waiting to see the actual suit before I say anything else about it (unlike some of the more fashion-forward complaining that's happening). In recognition of those who can't wait to bitch about something, I've created a quote just for those people who can not enjoy anything. It's a Loki original.

"The quickest way to get a 'hardcore comic fan' to complain is to give him/her what he/she wants."
Klone - 3/7/2014, 3:03 AM
Barry Parker. Lol I joke. Still not having Jay would be as stupid as [frick] so including him is something I'm happy with.
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