Baddies That Need Movie Love: Carnage

It's time for another fan request for the next edition of Baddies That Need Movie Love. I get quite a few requests for more Spider-Man villains, so I have opted to take on Carnage, one of Spidey's most dangerous and psychotic foes. A baddies so insane and unstable that Spidey is required to enlist the help of Venom to bring him down.

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By ecksmanfan - 10/22/2011
Once again, I answer the requests of the fans and bring you Carnage for the 18th installment of Baddies That Need Movie Love. Carnage, also known as Cletus Kasady, is the result of a serial killer and symbiote melding, creating one of Spider-Man's most dangerous and insane rogues. Often times needing to recruit help from other heroes and even former foes to end the reign of terror being brought on by Carnage. In 2009, the character was named as the 90th greatest comic book villain of all time by IGN.

Born into a troubled home, Cletus Kasady did not have an easy life. At a young age, Cletus tortured his mother's dog and killed his grandmother by pushing her down a flight of stairs. Having learned of this, his mother made an attempt at killing her own son, but was stopped by his father, who proceeded to beat his mother to the brink of death. While on trial for the crime, Cletus offered no defense for his father who was later sent to the electric chair. Kasady was then sent to an orphanage where his troubles continued. Having displayed antisocial behavior, he became a target for abuse by other orphans as well as the staff. To gain revenge, Cletus murdered the disciplinarian of the orphanage and pushed a fellow orphan into the path of a bus. Finally, he burned down the orphanage to complete the task. It was here at the St. Estes Orphanage that Kasady adopted the theory that life was "meaningless and futile," and that laws are only words. From then on, Kasady opted for a life full of crime and chaos: the ultimate freedom.

Later in life, Cletus murders many people, garnering him the title of serial killer. Once captured, he is sent to Ryker's Island Prison, where he shares a cell with Eddie Brock, who at the time had lost the alien symbiote known as Venom. While there, the symbiote returns to Brock to bond with him. In the process, an offspring is left behind unknowingly. The symbiotic offspring finds itself into the bloodstream of Kasady. On a side note, symbiotes reproduce asexually, and when a "child" is left behind, it is of no consequence to the parent. So, when this happened with the Carnage symbiote, there was no need for the symbiote to inform Brock of the occurrence. Being that the symbiote entered the bloodstream of Kasady, he refers to himself as "I," rather than "We" like Venom does. Once the bonding process is complete, Carnage escapes from prison and goes off on a killing spree and at the scene of each crime, he writes the word "Carnage" on a wall using his own blood. Once Spider-Man tracks him down, he proves no match for the new mad villain and he is forced to make a truce with Venom in order to bring Carnage to a stop. He is defeated with sonic weaponry, but the symbiote does not die, due to it being in the bloodstream of Kasady.

In the Maximum Carnage story line, Kasady is once again imprisoned, but this time it is in The Vault, formerly the Ravencroft Institute, a facility for super-human criminally insane. In an attempt to cure him of his madness, a doctor draws the blood of Kasady and unwittingly allows Cletus to morph into Carnage. From here, Carnage recruits the help of other "residents" of The Vault, including Shriek, Demigoblin, Carrion and Doppleganger to over-take New York City, using Shriek's powers to turn the citizens of the city against one another. This forced Spider-Man, along with Venom and other superheroes to band together to put a stop to the terror. Carnage and Shriek are once again sent to the Ravencroft Institute.

The Carnage symbiote has attempted several times to attach itself to another host. The first time, the symbiote attached itself to John Jameson, the chief of the Ravencroft Institute. From there it transferred itself to Ben Riley, Peter Parker's clone who was Spider-Man at the time, thus creating Spider-Carnage. However, Riley's will power held out against the negative and violent energy and he was able to return it to Kasady at Ravencroft. Soon after, during the Cosmic Carnage arc, its next attempted victim was the Silver Surfer. But, together with Spider-Man, the Surfer was able to defeat the symbiote and return it to Kasady and seal him in an unbreakable prison to "think about what he'd done" for eternity. Venom tracked this prison down and reabsorbed the Carnage symbiote back into himself, ending Carnage "for good." Kasady, however, carried on the Carnage name and donned red paint, continuing his killing sprees, claiming he retained some of the symbiote's power. Needless to say, Spider-Man defeated him easily. Kasady soon finds yet another symbiote that had been kept in the Negative Zone, creating the second Carnage.

The Carnage symbiote reproduced and attached itself to Patrick Mulligan, a police officer and new father, creating Toxin, who single handedly overpowered both Venom and Carnage. Mulligan, however, was determined to use this power for good, modeling himself after Spider-Man. In order to protect his wife and new son, he left them behind.

Carnage was thought to have been killed during the New Avengers, when Sentry flew him outside of Earth's atmosphere and tore him in two. However, Iron Man's computer learned that Cletus Kasady was not inside the symbiote during the incident. The symbiote actually preserved itself by going dormant and returned to Earth. Shriek and Doppleganger, with the assistence of Michael Hall, a rival of Tony Stark, used the properties of the symbiote to create prosthetic limbs and exo-suits that respond in the same manner as the sybiote would.

Dr. Tanis Nieves is outfitted with one of these prosthetic arms after she is caught in an attack by the Doppelganger. When near the symbiote, her arm goes wild and forces her to kill several scientists before the symbiote forcefully bonds to her, becoming the new Carnage. After the symbiote uses Tanis to break into a Hall Corporation facility, it is revealed that Cletus Kasady is alive, his body having been preserved by the symbiote and repaired by Hall's prosthetics.


Kasady then reclaims the symbiote once again and returns as Carnage. Spider-Man and Iron Man battle the very vengeful Carnage and learn that the symbiote has produced another offspring, which attaches itself to Shriek at first and then moves on to Tanis, which forms the new hero Scorn. Carnage slips away with Doppleganger after Shriek is defeated by Scron, and vows a bloody and angry comeback.

After Venom was forced onto film in Spider-Man 3, many fans are hesitant to see Venom on film once again, let alone Carnage. But with Sony opting to reboot the franchise recently, this may be the opportunity to reintroduce the Venom character and eventually Carnage, being that the two are so closely connected, I don't think you can do one without the other. These characters are not a pair I'd want to see happen right away, however. They could easily provide for a climactic ending to a series, possibly the final two or even 3 films of the series. My only concern is whether Sony would want to set 3 films aside for these two villains, but in a sense, they did that with the Green Goblin and his son in the previous three films. That aside, Carnage could provide viewers with a rather dark villain and take the Spider-Man character in a direction that even Venom could not do. From the looks and sounds of things, Marc Webb and Sony seem to be headed in that direction, so why not take things further down that path and bring out a villain that many fans would love to see on screen.

Being that Sony and director Marc Webb have stuck with a bit of a younger character roster, I think it's necessary to stick with that concept when choosing an actor for the Cletus Kasady role. This actor wowed fans with the cult favorite film Green Street Holligans, where he played the leader of a rabid group of football hooligans. The character is an angry and violent one, and has a mentality that is similar to that of Kasady. Along those same lines, Charlie Hunnam is currently starring in the popular FX series Sons of Anarchy, where he once again is involved in violence and hate. Both of these roles prove that Hunnam would do well with a character like Kasady and would be a good contrast against Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker.







If you have suggestions or want me to highlight a Baddie you'd like to see, be sure to send me an email! I will see what I can do! Be sure to check out the past installments of "Baddies that Need Movie Love:"
Mr. Sinister
Ultron
Kingpin
Black Tom Cassidy
Omega Red
Brainiac
The Shade
Harley Quinn
Ventriliquist & Scarface
Darkseid
Lady Deathstrike
Morbius
Ares
The Sentinels
Apocalypse
Electro
Deathstroke


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WonderMoose - 10/22/2011, 2:09 PM
the problem with carnage is he cant exist without there being venom first. so he is unlikely to show up unless the the franchise continues past a movie involving venom. or they could just change his origin i guess :P
SUPERBATSPIDERMAN - 10/22/2011, 2:15 PM
I always thought that Carnage was cooler than Venom. THey could always change the story to include Carnage in a film if they don't do Venom.
alucard365 - 10/22/2011, 2:15 PM
They can do a Venom movie, and have Carnage as the Villain.
Mrsinister - 10/22/2011, 2:20 PM
The new Venom comics are AMAZING!!
marvel72 - 10/22/2011, 2:25 PM
before we see carnage,they need to get venom right.

oh yeah you guys must check out the new venom comic is pretty cool book.
LoudLon - 10/22/2011, 2:29 PM
Sorry, but I disagree. I despise Carnage (and Venom) in every conceivable way. Between the two of them, they almost did more to ruin every Spider-Man title in the 90s than the insipid Clone Saga did.

If I knew then what I knew now, I'd wish Spider-Man had never went to the wrong machine in the original Secret Wars series.
BackwardGalaxy - 10/22/2011, 2:30 PM
Carnage can very easily exist before Venom in a movie continuity. Just change it so Carnage happens first. Easy.
ecksmanfan - 10/22/2011, 2:34 PM
Sorry, I forgot to mention that if Carnage were to appear in a film, I'd like to see Venom first. As I mention towards the end of the article...if you actually read the whole article...I proposed that the last 2 or 3 films in the franchise be devoted to bothe Venom and Carnage.
JDUKE25 - 10/22/2011, 2:37 PM
I'm more partial to Venom but Carnage is awesome too. Yeah, they need to get Venom right first. Spider-man 3 didn't do him justice at all.
Deadmensriot - 10/22/2011, 2:37 PM
I'm just saying but Jackie Earle Haley should be carnage... :D just think about it...
TheDpool - 10/22/2011, 2:38 PM
Carnage would be too violent for the movie without an 18 rating it would need to be done well if done at all
TheDpool - 10/22/2011, 2:42 PM
and why do people give him the spider on his chest ??? he doesnt need have one
SkaarJones - 10/22/2011, 2:49 PM
Apocalypse needs movie love.
ecksmanfan - 10/22/2011, 2:53 PM
@SkaarJones- See THIS ARTICLE
ArmoredAsgardian - 10/22/2011, 3:12 PM
Holy shit, he would be terrifying in a movie. I knew Cletus Kasady was a serial killer and that was about it. But they would have to introduce Venom first or it wouldn't make sense. But I kinda do agree with TheDPool, that bio sounds like a bit much for a PG-13 Spider-Man movie.
stumbleMaster57 - 10/22/2011, 3:33 PM
im not hating on the reboot, it looks great, but thats why spidey 4 would be freaking awesome. it could have carnage and lizard. which would kick ass!
stumbleMaster57 - 10/22/2011, 3:35 PM
now im watching spidey 4 fan trailers again. :(
spideyboy - 10/22/2011, 3:36 PM
Carnage would be the most controversial movie villain if they decided to give him justice in a Spider-Man film. No matter what you do with Spider-Man, games, films, tv shows and whatever, kids will be drawn to see him. Because of that, there will never be a perfect Carnage on the big screen. His history alone would be too dark for a Spider-Man film that the audience would be used to.
ThreeBigTacos - 10/22/2011, 3:41 PM
I've said this in another article: Carnage ripping killing people off would make some really scary scenes, especially if they're made in the vein of say... Alien.
KingPatel - 10/22/2011, 3:42 PM
this has the potential to be the greatest Spidey movie of them all! I've also been thinking about a movie with Carnage as the main villain, and I agree, Venon would have to be reintroduced and this would probably be a 3 movie idea, Vemon gets introduced in the first movie, then Kasady is like a minor villain Spidey stops at some point in the movie, and then there would be an after credits scene which would show Kasady getting the symbiote spawn that Venom would leave behind, then that movie ends. The second and third movies would basically be a new version of the maximum carnage saga, with the second leading directly into the third. it would be epic
aduder - 10/22/2011, 3:51 PM
I understand that movies need to chop and change a few things from comic books, but when story lines are so obviously perfect and just don't need [frick]ing with, then why [frick] with it? Eddie Brock was a 30 something buffed up bad ass, not some skinny tard from that 70's show. I'd much rather they focused on the stories of amazing spider-man etc than the Ultimate stuff in a bid to appeal to the "now" generation of i-pads and product placement....story is key and Carnage is my fave villain ever and I almost don't even want them to attempt him.
Spidey91 - 10/22/2011, 4:27 PM
Carnage in the new Spidey movie series would be freakin' awesome,especially considering the darker aproach that Marc Webb seems to be going for.
Howardad - 10/22/2011, 4:54 PM
This may be a stretch, but Harry Connick Jr. would be perfect for the role of Venom. Just watch his movie Copycat.
Howardad - 10/22/2011, 4:54 PM
I meant he would be perfect for the role of Carnage
MovieTheaterLad - 10/22/2011, 5:38 PM
What, no mention of Ultimate Carnage?

@aduder

Really, because in Ultimate Spider-Man, he was exactl that: a skinny guy not unlike Peter Parker. And in Spectacular Spider-Man, he was a lab assistant who was childhood friends with Peter.

And besides, it's not like you need to have muscle in order for the symbiotic to be big.
OtakuPapi - 10/22/2011, 5:48 PM
A Maximum Carnage Trilogy would be a dream come true.But Max Carnage Was So Dark...Id Love To See Demogoblin Ghost Rider Venom Spidey And Black Cat All In The Same Movie.But Carnage Alone Played By...For Some Reason He Came To Mind "Jim Carey" i just feels like a fit for him now that he has matured as a actor
Ceejay - 10/22/2011, 6:36 PM
It was the whole venom stupidity that ruined the last Spiderman film, can't believe anyone would suggest more crap Spidey villains to ruin more future movies.
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TheBlitzkrieg - 10/22/2011, 7:31 PM
as much as I love Spider-Man and I'm a big fan of Carnage, I will say this: no. Just no.

Like all 90s supervillains, he deserves to be shelved and remained shelved. It'd be more work and then you'd have to work in Venom, and with Spider-Man 3 still fresh in everyone's mind, I doubt they're willing to take a chance on Venom in the film. The black suit maybe, with Venom appearing in the end credits and getting his own solo film to work that out, and set that up for Carnage, much like what the Avengers are doing with their films.

That I would believe and buy better, but no more 90s villains please. DC's getting enough flak for "ripping off the 90s" with their costumes and frankly, let's face it: The 90s SUCKED for pop culture save for Animation. And that's it.
cartman87 - 10/22/2011, 8:02 PM
carnage was an awful badguy hated him in the comics doesnt need a movie role
thegamedrex - 10/22/2011, 8:18 PM
@carman you know its the writers who make characters good or not along with directors
squirt - 10/22/2011, 8:20 PM
he is an r rated villain. spidey movies dont need an r rating
kappakappashred - 10/22/2011, 8:45 PM
tobey and kirsten had to go, their time was done, but i don't see why we need to reboot. "they" could have just as easily moved on with new actors, and i wouldn't have minded. at this rate we will see lizard, electro, the vulture, and venom(again) before carnage is even a possibility. i truly believe that the shot in the arm the spider-movies needed was dark realism,new direction, actors, and carnage could have brought that (at least on the villain level). we will however, be stuck with a new franchise that i doubt will ever make it to the kind of reinvention the nolan brought us with Batman Begins. I think we are in for more of the same, and have extremely low expectations for The Amazing Spiderman
Gnyah123 - 10/22/2011, 9:40 PM
i just really hope in this spider man reboot we will see the birth of venom over...and the birth of carnage i want those 2 in this reboot!..
they r my fav. baddies
Ghola - 10/22/2011, 10:23 PM
The problem is that any movie with Carnage would have to have an R rating ... at least for you silly Americans :P
MaddMonkk - 10/23/2011, 12:27 AM
Them Cassidy's..um Kasady's are a dangerous and psychotic bunch. It's very Ror.. um rare to see a crazy villian like this.It will leave it's Mark on you.
ecksmanfan - 10/23/2011, 12:59 AM
Bazinga?
Batman27 - 10/23/2011, 1:11 AM
Carnage could be done in pg 13 if done right.
MaddMonkk - 10/23/2011, 1:28 AM
Bazinga indeed
chuckg313 - 10/23/2011, 5:02 AM
carnage would be sweet but it wont happen sidey is a kid flick they wont go in that direction....lizzy may be as scary as it gets
aduder - 10/23/2011, 5:18 AM
@MovieTheaterLad I don't read the Ultimate comics.
Bandrews1 - 10/23/2011, 6:39 AM
I would love to see Carnage in the rebooted Spider-Man movies, and I believe they can make it dark enough to keep it PG-13, if done right of course.
Number1Wolverine - 10/23/2011, 6:50 AM
Venom needs more movie love before their can even be a Carnage, but truth be told i don't think any studio has the balls to even put him in the movie.
ronnie42 - 10/23/2011, 7:16 AM
Oh God No!, I saw what they did to venom, GET VENOM RIGHT BEFORE PUTTING TTHE BADASS IN THERE!
shadow314 - 10/23/2011, 7:45 AM
like the others said: Venom is much more important (and cool) than Carnage and he needs to be done right first.

I would love a movie with spidey, venom, and carnage, but it would have to be extremely dark adn would take more than one movie I bet
rbfn04 - 10/23/2011, 8:12 AM
Im with the Carnage was an aweful 90s villain crowd.
thewolfx - 10/23/2011, 10:37 AM
i hate people that hate venom and carnage


no sense of awesome what so ever ...
Moonwalker1991 - 10/23/2011, 12:50 PM
@the wolf: First, Carnage is a serial killer, a very, very violent one. It was a stretch putting him in the 90's cartoon, and honestly his presence in that show was just terrible because his story couldn't be written the way it was intended. Second, after Spiderman 3 screwed up Venom, why would anyone want to see Carnage on the big screen when Venom's story can't even be told properly? As a fan I can see where you're coming from, but it just won't work on screen. Besides that, even though the "general audience" doesn't know smack about comics, we as comic fans have to look at the bigger picture. In general, does anyone want to see an "R" rated Spiderman film?
SkaarJones - 10/23/2011, 4:17 PM
@ecksmanfan -Thanks for the link! Good stuff!
thewolfx - 10/23/2011, 4:35 PM
@Moonwalker1991


i get what your sayin man , but i was just referring to people that hate on the those two characters in general


yes venom was screwed terribly in the movies hes still one of the best villains ever.

and carnage could be done in a a pg-13 movie just cus hes a super psycho doesnt mean you have to make it a gore fest, its ways to make you think of that stuff i nthe viewers mind.
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