COMICS: ASTONISHING X-MEN #51 Promises "Something That Has Never Been Seen Inside The Pages Of A Marvel Comic"

There's really no problem with this at all.
It's two people
in love
getting married.
It happens every day, regardless of gender/gender.
Also, they're fictional characters. It isn't a big deal.

nothing good is gona come from this thread unfortunately. best to just stay away

@ Xenix,

Exactly.

I really wonder why would anyone have a problem with two consenting adult persons getting married.

Just because your religious holy book says it's wrong? Not everyone in this country follows the same religion and there is something called separation of church and state anyway.

And the retarded "reasons" the haters come up with are just demented. For example:

"If gay people can get marriage, what about pedophiles or people that have sex with animals?"

Dude, what part of "consenting adult people" you don't get? Children and animals don't have the capability to consent.

"Marriage is about procreation, gay couples can't have children"

Ok, so I guess you want to prohibit infertile people or old people from getting married also, right?

"Children raised by gay couples will come out gay too"

That's complete BS. There's lots of people out there that where raised by gay parents and they are completely normal.

Gay marriage doesn't hurt ANYONE. It will not destroy civilization or traditional marriages. People will not suddenly become more perverted or anything like that.

Are we really all going to fight over the ethics behind two fictional characters getting married?

Two Men and a Cup.

i bet they'll have a honeymoon 'swordfight'.... thatll get people talking

Please forgive me. I---I'm sorry to confess- and I hope I have ALL of your support and UNDERSTANDING ...but I have to confess that I'm----I've been diagnosed with the disease 'Homophobia'. At the moment there's no 'silver bullet' cure, b--but I AM in therapy- have been since high school- and I'm doing much better now.

I no longer bust into violent rage when I see a fa..., I--mean sexually confus...sorry, I need to get this right--HOMOSEXUAL, anymore. I'm actually able to smile and say "hello, how are you"(even though I don't mean it) when I encounter-- ehem, a HOMOSEXUAL.
So I'm making progress.

Just as homosexuality is a 'genetic' occurrence , my condition too is genetic.
My granpappy had it...and now alas I've been burdened with this flaw in my genome as well.
But thanks to modern science , I can now deal with my 'illness' , much the way homosexuals deal with their genetic pre-disposition.
Thank you for your love and understanding.

Mazel tov!

It's nice to see social progression and equality reflected in the comic culture, even when it's clearly not present in the community itself.

It makes the media all that more enriched, in my opinion.

@ djwood

Thanks.

The funny thing is that I am not gay myself and I think that marriage, no matter what sexuality is involved, is just traditional cultural bs with dumb religious connotations.

But, I also believe in fairness for all, so if two gay people want to put themselves through marriage hell, they should have the right to do so.

I'm a grown man. Married with 3 kids. Was raised by my dad and his boyfriend. I'm straight and a well rounded human being. They taught me to respect other people. Some of you morons on here obviously haven't been taught that. So it looks like your straight parents failed you. My dad also taught me to love comics. He's gonna love this issue. Anyway everyone's about 25% gay. My 25% a lesbian.

...NOT joking about the hot bitches with huge boobs tho...


@tea- LOL!

@marvel72 - Me neither. Just keep it private.

BTW, how'd you like UXF # 23?
And how about Fantomex getting his face cut off! Damn!

@ headlopper

i've only read up to issue 21. :D

don't worry about the spoiler mate,you didn't know.

i normally buy trades of all the titles i read but i borrowed a load of comics off a mate of mine,so i've read some of the titles early.

issue 23 sounds intresting,i'll have to see if his got 22 & 23 yet.

definetly the best comic book out at the moment.

other great marvel titles

-venom
-daredevil
-the punisher
-the incredible hulk
-new avengers
-uncanny x-men
-wolverine & the x-men
-captain america
-winter soldier

fantastic four & ff are good as well but again i haven't caught up with them all yet.

@GrayMatter- Good points...all around.
The Bible teaches not to judge...simple as that.
It also teaches homosexuality is sin, and that's indisputable because it's literal scripture.

However ,to pass judgement is worse than the actual sin itself.

I whole-heartily agree with @Marvel72, just keep it private and don't shove it in people's faces to prove your point.
I'm not gonna make out with my girl and grope her boobs in front of a gay person to prove MY point, ya know? Just be civil and socially respectful, that's all. It works out best for everyone.

Boobs... (sorry Tea, I know you're the master, but please afford me one for the healing process!)

@marvel72 - Sorry brother.
...but when you do, you're in for a shock!

No one has a problem with Cyclops and Jean Grey getting married back in X-MEN #30 but Northstar and his boyfriend is an issue? Ah. Gotcha. Keep it to yourself indeed...

Gimme a break.

I'm on that "whether you agree with it or not, how is it any of your business or place to say" tip. I don't necessarily understand or agree with it, but I also don't judge and would never begin to assume I know what it's like, so why would I stop two people from happiness/agony if that's what they want. I respect peoples individuality regardless of the differences.

I guess some guys think they might catch "the gay" if they read the comic book. Suddenly, they might start having an unexplainable interest for interior decoration and penis.

Patientzero...you sound just as ignorant and closed minded as the dumb sht's that spout off stupid homophobic rhetoric when you say that. Religious extremist get all the attention but are a small minority. When the bibles used more as a reference guide, rather than an instruction manual it shapes people to stay humble, respect others and co-exist peacefully. What about that makes them weak minded and sheep? Just because they believe in a higher power?

Jeez, well I don't have to read it if I don't want to. Not against it, but I don't need it shoved in my face all the time. Same with racism.

@tea - Lol.

@PatientZero - I was just trying to generally express my sadness about all the hate, but if you really want to get into it, I can oblige you. To everyone else, I apologize in advance for the length of the following rant, but not the contents.

Ever hear of the Golden Rule? "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you"? Guess where that came from: the Bible. Oh, and ever hear the expression "A Good Samaritan?" Also from the Bible, and if you're not familiar with the story that originated that term, I'll tell you (I'll try to make it as brief as possible)

People asked Jesus what the greatest commandment was. He told them the two most important: "Love God, and love your neighbour as yourself." So they asked him, "Who's my neighbor?" So he told them a story.
A Jew was walking down the road, got jumped and robbed and got the crap beat out of him. A couple other Jews walk past, but they ignore the beat up, bloody dude on the side of the road. Finally as Samaritan walks past, sees him, picks him up and takes him into town, gets a doctor, takes care of him, etc. The point of this story? Jews and Samaritans (at that time) hated each other. They were like mortal enemies. So the point was to act "neighbourly" like the Samaritan, regardless of who or what the other person is.

So yes, as headlopper mentioned, the Bible teaches that homosexuality is a sin. But it also indirectly teaches that any type of discrimination, racism, homophobia, etc. is also a sin.

And I admit, a lot of people throughout history have used religion as an excuse for their own agenda. Whether it was to start some war over land/resources, or to justify their own ignorance and hate for other people, or whatever; they were assholes first, and dragged the Bible down with them to try to justify their actions. But if you actually look at what the Bible says, it pretty much condemns all these types of things.

The first part of my post above kind of covered "morons who don't know anything about anything and give religion a bad name," which I freely admit do exist, but thank you for proving the second part about people who are equally assholes and are just as discriminatory.

Until gay marriage is legal and all the homophobes get over themselves, I'm glad to see this kind of support in the media. I don't normally read this book, but I'll pick up this issue just because I believe so strongly in legal equality for all. I just don't understand why so many people fall on the ignorant side of this issue. I saw a bumper sticker today that said "I support marriage" and the small print was some homophobic nonsense. I turned to my wife and said, "No they don't."

I am about to flex my religious knowledge muscles and deliver a can of rant whupass.

@ GrayMatter,

Here's the problem with religion, and I will talk more about christianity since most of us where raised in western countries where christian religions are predominant, but I dislike ALL religions because I think that ALL of them are fundamentally flawed. Anyway, here's the problem:

Let's start with what you say about the bible. Yes, some times, the bibles does gives good advice. In fact, I would say that most of what Jesus said is good stuff.

But, like Gandhi said: “I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ.”

Most modern religions do not act like Jesus AT ALL. For example, Jesus said: “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)” But you got all this mega church preachers that are rich bastard or the pope in the vatican sitting on his golden throne. It seems quite messed up to me. And that's not all, it is an historical fact that religion has been used many many times in order to start wars and kill people.

And regarding the bible, again I say, sometimes it got really good advice, but some other stuff is horrible, like, Hannibal Lecter as god horrible. For example:

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad

Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Fornication

A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)


Death to Followers of Other Religions

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

And that's just a few examples. What happened to the tolerance that you say it preaches? Oh, right, I am quoting the old testament so far and the new testament brought by Jesus is a new, better, nicer covenant. Ok, let's take a look at it:

Infidels and Gays Should Die

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)

In the following parable, Jesus clearly approves of beating slaves even if they didn't know they were doing anything wrong.

The servant will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. "But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given." (Luke 12:47-48 NLT)

Or what about all the hardcore sexism in the new testament?

Women should be silent in church, and can only ask questions at home, to their husbands, after church is over.
(1 Corinth. 14:34-35)

1 Corinthanians 11:3 says that "the head of the woman is man". meaning that in the christian religion, women are to be the subordinate to men.
Verses 5 & 6 also describe how woman in churches with uncovered heads should have them shaved.


Romans 1:27: Explains how the natural use of women should be for the sexual gratification of men, and not other women.

According to 1 Timothy, Women should dress modestly (2:9) and remain quiet, in submission to men (2:11-12).

"Adam was not the one decieved; it was the woman who was decieved and became a sinner. But women will be saved during childbearing..." -1 Timothy 2:14-15

So tell me, are christians supposed to pick and choose what they want to believe from the bible? Or are they supposed to believe in the whole thing? And please, don't tell me that the parts you disagree with are open to interpretation, most of them are quite plainly written.

But having said all that, the bottom line in this discussion is that religions shouldn't have anything, ANYTHING to do with gay rights. Because religion, be it christian, islamic or pastafarian, doesn't define the laws and rights of the citizens of this great nation. We are ALL equals, no matter what religion, gender, color or sexuality you are. And we should ALL have the same rights.

I don't follow Astonishing X-Men, but I think this is pretty cool.

If all forms of media were more tolerant towards gay people. More people would be more accepting of homosexuals.

You know, and not treat homosexuality as some kind of sin or horrible thing. Because it's not any of those things!

@teabag Congrats, man! I hope you'll still find time to grace us with your illustrious presence. :)

@priest - agreed, don't get me wrong im not sticking up for it in any way, just saying why its that way. It'll change, just gonna take a little while