Joss Whedon On How To Make A Successful Comic Book Movie

The Avengers director talks about what worked and didn't work in Sam Raimi's Spider-Man, The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, and Watchmen. Also, jokingly tells WB to "call him" about getting the Justice League movie going.

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By Mark Julian - 4/17/2012
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Question: What separates a good comic book adaptation film from a bad comic book adaptation film?

Joss Whedon: Capturing the essence of the comic and being true to what's wonderful about it, while remembering that it's a movie and not a comic. I think with the first "Spider-Man" they really figured out the formula of how to tell the story that they told in the comic. It was compelling. That's why it's iconic, but at the same time they did certain things that only a movie can do.

In "The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen" where they just threw out the comic or "Watchmen" where they did it frame for frame, neither of them worked. You have to give the spirit of the thing and then step away from that and create something cinematic and new.


Question: What advice would you give Warner Brothers on getting their Justice League movie going?

Joss Whedon: Call me. No, seriously, it's enormously difficult to take very disparate characters and make them work. And DC has a harder time of it than Marvel because their characters are from a bygone era where characters were bigger than we were. Marvel really cracked the code in terms of them being just like us. I think you need to use that as your base.



The Avengers is an upcoming American superhero film produced by Marvel Studios and distributed by Walt Disney Pictures, based on the Marvel Comics superhero team of the same name. It is the sixth installment in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. The film is written and directed by Joss Whedon and features an ensemble cast, which includes Robert Downey, Jr., Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Jeremy Renner and Samuel L. Jackson. In The Avengers, Nick Fury, director of the peacekeeping organization S.H.I.E.L.D., recruits Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Captain America to save the world from destruction.

Development of The Avengers began when Marvel Studios received a grant from Merrill Lynch in April 2005. After the success of the film Iron Man in May 2008, Marvel announced that The Avengers would be released in July 2011. With the signing of Scarlett Johansson in March 2009, the film was pushed back for a 2012 release. Whedon was brought on board in April 2010 and rewrote the screenplay that was originally written by Zak Penn. Production began in April 2011 in Albuquerque, New Mexico, before moving to Cleveland, Ohio in August 2011 and New York City in September 2011. The film was converted to 3D in post-production.

The Avengers is scheduled for release on May 4, 2012 in the United States in 2D and 3D.









Running Time: 2 hrs 15 minutes
Release Date: May 4 2012 (USA)
MPAA Rating: PG 13 for for intense sequences of action and violence, some disturbing images, and language
Starring: Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Samuel L. Jackson, Tom Hiddleston, Cobie Smulders, Jeremy Renner, Clark Gregg, Stellan Skarsgård, Mark Ruffalo, Amanda Righetti, Scarlett Johansson and Lou Ferrigno The Incredible Hulk (voice) .
Directed by: Joss Whedon
Written by: Zak Penn (initial screenplay), Joss Whedon (revised screenplay)



Source: Dark Horizons
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Dynamo - 4/17/2012, 7:39 AM
I liked Watchmen, but IMO I would actually love to see a Justice League movie done by Whedon.
Ha1frican - 4/17/2012, 7:40 AM
Loved Watchmen..
MassExecutions - 4/17/2012, 7:41 AM
He's right...but I think Watchmen was pretty good.

I still think J.J. Abrams should get Justice League.
Dynamo - 4/17/2012, 7:42 AM
@MassExecutions

I agree, Abrams would do a great JL. So would Peter Jackson.
DrRockso - 4/17/2012, 7:45 AM
Watchmen was great. Can you imagine if Matthew Goode got superman?
marvelstudios - 4/17/2012, 7:45 AM
i love the marvel cinematic universe. hope they make a dc cinematic universe
GUNSMITH - 4/17/2012, 7:46 AM
HARD TO PLEASE ANYONE, THERES ALWAYS SOMETHING WETHER IT BE THE COSTUME OR THEM TAKING LIBERTIES AND CHANGING THE STORIES PEOPLE GREW KNOWING OR FELL IN LOVE WITH, IF YOU FIND A GOOD MIDDLE AND MAKE IT A FILM EXPERIENCE RATHER A DEAD ON THE MATERIAL THING YOU MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING AWESOME. SUPERMAN 2 WAS AWESOME SPIDERMAN 2 WAS AWESOME, DARKNIGHT WAS 3 HRS OF AWESOME..STORIES ARE KEY, HECK THE COMIC MOVIES WHERE THE HEROES WERE FLAWED OR HAD A HARD TIME WERE THE ONES THAT WORKED BEST BECAUSE YOU COULD RELATE...
Mago - 4/17/2012, 7:46 AM
Watchmen was one of the best cbm ever made so wtf is he talking about
cobracleveland - 4/17/2012, 7:47 AM
J.J. Abrams would screw a JL movie up,like he does everything!
MarkJulian - 4/17/2012, 7:47 AM
Watchmen was great. Also one of my favs. Also tanked at the box office.
RealGothamite - 4/17/2012, 7:49 AM
ol Joss 'Fivehead' Whedon needs to give it a rest, he's made a great CBM in The Avengers but now thinks he's God's gift.

Watchmen was a great film and he really should be thanking the other directors of the individual Avengers movies for helping setup his film.
Dynamo - 4/17/2012, 7:50 AM
@cobracleveland

You mean just like he did Star Trek... oh wait.
FightAs0ne - 4/17/2012, 7:51 AM
@RealGothanite people see Nolan the same way
deadpoolbeatsall - 4/17/2012, 7:51 AM
@mago i agree i think he is talking about the box office
mrHJK - 4/17/2012, 7:51 AM
I loved Watchmen, but I had read the graphic novel. I think to *most* audiences, it's a difficult sell even while they're watching if they don't know the source.
IDK about Joss on JL. He's perfect for The Avengers (would have been great for Runaways too). Wonder Woman is probably the only DC property I would be dying to see what he did with.
Abrams would be cool for JL for sure.
Or Brad Bird.
deadpoolbeatsall - 4/17/2012, 7:51 AM
does anyone else think he seems a little full of himself
UltimaRex - 4/17/2012, 7:51 AM
"And DC has a harder time of it than Marvel because their characters are from a bygone era where characters were bigger than we were. Marvel really cracked the code in terms of them being just like us. I think you need to use that as your base."

No.

Just no.

The Avengers are "just like us" sure, but the JLA are gods amongst us. You try to "humanise" them and you'll be left with another Avengers.

WB should not call Whedon.

WB should call Peter Jackson.
Xeriath - 4/17/2012, 7:51 AM
So glad they got Whedon to direct The Avengers. So so glad. It could have gone so wrong in so many ways. Imagine the Avengers directed by Michael Bay? Lol the whole movie would be Iron Man flying around the city blowing up every alien in sight with horribly cheesy dialogue thrown in. Then Tony would make a new suit that transforms into a fighter jet or something.
Markcheng - 4/17/2012, 7:52 AM
loved Watchmen too.
rocky - 4/17/2012, 7:54 AM
RealGothamite, why does he think he's God because he answered a question put to him.
JohnTom88 - 4/17/2012, 7:54 AM
Whedon is probably among the best there is in terms of comic knowledge. Nah, JJ Abrams or Peter Jackson don't know comic stuff that much but they know film making though.

You want authentic comic films you get Whedon.
MovieMann - 4/17/2012, 7:54 AM
I want to hear his thoughts on Nolan's batman films
Sparrowsabre7 - 4/17/2012, 7:56 AM
I liked Watchmen, but I get what he means, if you're going to do a comic frame by frame, then what do you add besides motion? However I loved Sin City which was pretty literally frame-by-frame.
R888 - 4/17/2012, 7:56 AM
Yes if bay did the avengers he [frick] it up
ralfinader - 4/17/2012, 7:56 AM
Watchmen worked for me, but I havn't read the comics, so that might be why.

League of blah blah was so bad, I saw echoes of it in X-Men Origins: Wolverine. I really do not believe they had a script so much as a vague outline when they filmed those two.
gloomypatrick - 4/17/2012, 7:57 AM
Watchman sucked big time one of the worst CBM ever made just saying
RealGothamite - 4/17/2012, 7:57 AM
@PR0T0TYP3 thats fine I don't think Nolan is the greatest director alive.

I respect that he's done a few good movies just like Joss. However i'm just responding as thats the topic of this thread.

He should be happy with his film and be talking about the next Avengers movie instead of hating on a CBM that was actual decent.
SamWinchester - 4/17/2012, 7:58 AM
I disagree with him on "Watchmen" - it wasn't meant to be a new take on the characters or their story, merely and adaptation. It's different from what he's done with "Avengers".
WellDrawn - 4/17/2012, 7:58 AM
Understandable - for all intensive purposes, Watchmen wasn't a movie - it was a live action frame for frame comic- it can't be faulted for being EXACTLY what it set out to be.
The first Spiderman wasn't as iconic as he says - rewatch it, and you'll see that while the first half of the movie (origin) is phenomenally well done, the second half gets very over the top, and very cheesy, very fast.
RealGothamite - 4/17/2012, 7:58 AM
@rocky I didn't say he thought he was God, please re-read!
R888 - 4/17/2012, 8:01 AM
If he hates watchmen that his opinion, you guys don't need to bash on him for that. Everyone has their opinions
marvel72 - 4/17/2012, 8:02 AM
watchmen is my favorite dc movie.

we need a justice league movie,marvel needs movie competition.
TheRationalOne - 4/17/2012, 8:02 AM
The man knows his shit.
AlSimmons - 4/17/2012, 8:02 AM
Whedon didn't actually say watchmen was bad, guys. He was comparing movie making styles, not quality.
GUNSMITH - 4/17/2012, 8:03 AM
WATCHMEN I LIKED, SNYDER ALWAYS GOES AS CLOSE TO THE SOURCE LOOK AS POSSIBLE.
GUNSMITH - 4/17/2012, 8:05 AM
MAN OF STEELE WILL BE GOOD, BATMAN NOLAN'S RUN WAS GOOD, GREEN LANTERN...ERR..WONDERWOMAN..WELL WEDON AFTER DOING AVENGERS THEY MAY RE-OFFER IT TO HIM.
Tainted87 - 4/17/2012, 8:05 AM
I loved Watchmen, especially the director's cut where they have even more footage, "frame by frame".

I've been a fan of some of the stuff Whedon has worked on - Firefly, Astonishing X-Men, Buffy for a time, but he's getting to be pretty damn arrogant.

The Avengers, I imagine, is successful because they built up to it. As RealGothamite said, he should be thanking or at least acknowledging those who made those films and allowed him the chance to make his Avengers film.

Marvel has been successful thus far because they were smart in how they built up towards the Avengers, too. If they had started with Captain America: the First Avenger, it wouldn't have worked. Not a lot of people wanted to see a superhero jumping around throwing a shield wearing the American flag to begin with, but Iron Man created the demand for this outing. Thankfully Joe Johnston made a really good movie, though it was far from a masterpiece, and it wasn't just another mail-in base-model superhero movie. The same goes for Thor. Even if the characters really didn't cross over, Thor wasn't a particularly sought out character for the casual reader, and even a lot of fans were preparing for the worst simply because Thor doesn't seem like movie material.

They owe so much to Robert Downey Jr and Jon Favreau.
Shaman - 4/17/2012, 8:06 AM
DC doesn't deserve Whedon, any which way you wanna look at it.
Superheromovie - 4/17/2012, 8:06 AM
I still haven't seen watchmen. I've heard its a good movie. I was going to watch it the other day but something prevented me. I'll try watching it this week though.
R888 - 4/17/2012, 8:14 AM
People are taking this way too seriously, guys just stop
it really
R888 - 4/17/2012, 8:18 AM
@Azazel1

You mad bro
thunderforce - 4/17/2012, 8:19 AM
Watch whoever DC calls WB will try to get their grubby fingers on JLA and make some changes .
Berger45 - 4/17/2012, 8:23 AM
Why are people getting upset about this? I love both comics, though I prefer some certain DC characters and certain Marvel story arcs over the other, I just wanna see good comicbookmovies being made. And I know most of these DC fanatics are going to watch Avengers, because they want to and they know we need more cbms! And the Marvelites would sure as hell watch a JLA, Trinity or World Finest because that would be awesome and help to gather more cbms!

Now... PETER JACKSON FOR JLA? HOLY SHIT THAT WOULD DESTROY MY SENSE OF REALITY BECAUSE OF HOW AWESOME THAT WOULD BE!

Looking forward to Avengers! ASSEMBLE!
RorMachine - 4/17/2012, 8:23 AM
Watchmen was awesome, fail comment from Whedon there.
HelaGood - 4/17/2012, 8:23 AM
WORD!!!!!
CaptainJackSpareribs - 4/17/2012, 8:24 AM
@realGothamite.

I concur. PLUUUSS...The general public hasn't seen it yet. Just a handful of advanced screenings have been praised. The majority of critics liked it but are on the fence.
Morpheus82 - 4/17/2012, 8:24 AM
Peter Jackson may be the best choice to direct a Justice League movie but only if he know the origins to the characters, you can never compare Marvel with DC, it's like Whedon said it's enormously difficult to take very disparate characters and make them work. And DC has a harder time of it than Marvel because their characters are from a bygone era where characters were bigger than we were.
RealGothamite - 4/17/2012, 8:26 AM
I thought this was the comment section??? meaning we could leave comments... apparantly not according to some I see!
thisheart - 4/17/2012, 8:27 AM
Maybe he should have said "didn't work as well", instead of just "didn't work". I liked Watchmen, but there was a lot that was lost in the adapting process, but that's part of it being "unfilmable" according to Alan Moore. The acting was somewhat stale and the dialogue was forced most of the time.

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen really wasn't as bad as most people say, as a movie, but he was right in saying they threw too much of the source material out of the window.

All I think he's saying is that its hard to walk that fine line between trying to stick to the source material while still making something new and fresh and appropriate for the big screen.

And its true that there were all these other films and filmmakers that led up to his movie, but those were all totally out of his control, so he did have a pretty big challenge in bringing all the collective visions of Favreau, Letterier, Branagh and Johnston together.

I think if JLA is made into a movie, they should settle on a tone that works for all the characters, and just go for it, not making solo movies. Unlike some of marvel's lesser known characters, like Nick Fury and even Thor to an extent, people know Batman, Wonder Woman, Superman, and Flash like the back of their hand. You can add in characters like Green Arrow, Martian Manhunter and the like in the sequel.
thisheart - 4/17/2012, 8:31 AM
Hector Hammond lol.
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