Batmaniac's Idea For Race Origins In The DC Cinematic Universe

A look at how WB/DC could go about explaining and tying the together the different races that call Earth home in the DC Cinematic Universe. Hit the jump to check it out and share your thoughts!

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By Batmaniac - 12/22/2013

It goes without saying that Earth in the DC Universe is home to quite a few races, who for the most part, haven't shared contact with each other for a long time. I have come up with a few theories to explain how the multiple races of Earth came to be, as well as ways they can tie together. First I'm going to start of with...

The Humans

What are the origins of our species? Well, none of us know and I'm not sure if we ever will but the good thing about creating a fictional world is you can alter the events of history to you see fit. In the DC Cinematic Universes case, I believe that at some point, the origins of mankind's should be touched up on. My idea is that the ancestors of man are not only early evolutionary stages of homo-sapiens, but they all also very early evolutionary stages of what ancient man have to come to know as gods.

In my idea, an old god known as Gog came to Earth millions of years ago and seeded the Earth with early ancestors of man. His races choice to seed Earth with the early stages of man was to let their evolutionary process flow naturally, as his race thought if the race that was seeded were worthy enough, they'd eventually evolve into 'gods' themselves, but of course, this process takes millions of years.

Over time, humans evolved but the process was unnaturally accelerated by interference of the White Martians, an alien race from Mars. Their interference led to the human race evolving over a quick matter of time. As time went on, the humans of Earth made many technological advances, but the more technological advances the humans made, the less spiritual they became. This also relates to another race that inhabits the DC Cinematic Universe, but more on that later.

Over the course of time, humans have worshiped many alien races as deities or gods, some being the Olympian & Egyptian gods. Unable to explain many alien races abilities or technology at the time, humans mistakenly thought it was 'magic'. Humans have also had contact with other races that reside on Earth that are near identical to humans, some of them notably being the Atlanteans and The Amazons.

The Amazons

Remember I spoke about a Gog? Well Gog's race seeded other planets in the Universe with life, some notably being Thanagar and Krypton. Eventually, Gog's race eventually died out and became extinct, but they had quite a few offspring races, as well as cousin races, one notably being the Maltusian. Fans will know a select few Maltusians went on to become the Oans, but more on that later. Notable off spring races of the Old Gods are The Olympians, New Gods, Egyptian Gods and more.

The Olympians eventually came to and settled on Earth for some time, making their mark on the planet. In that time, a sub-species known as The Amazons sprouted from Ares, and settled on Earth. The Amazons came into conflict with man of many occasions and had a very poor opinion on man as a whole.

Eventually, due to a huge conflict, the Amazons secluded themselves from the rest of the Earth, using Olympian technology to cloak the island away for the rest of the worlds inhabitants. The Olympians granted the Amazons an extended life span, which compared to humans, seemed immortal. Due to being the offspring race of Ares, the Amazon possess enhanced abilities compared to humans.

The Atlanteans

The Atlanteans are the offspring race of Poseidon, which creates a direct link between the Amazons and Atlanteans. The Atlanteans, unlike the Amazons, made their own improvements on Olympian technology, while the Amazons were more traditional and basic, only using the Olympian technology that was gifted to them from the Olympians.

The Atlanteans were the dominant species of the Earth in ancient times. The Atlanteans were highly regarded by humans, and were far more technologically advanced. As usual, humans often confused their technological advances and enhanced abilities for magic.

Over time, disaster struck Atlantis, and the city sunk into the ocean. To survive, the Atlanteans used their technology to alter their DNA to being able to adapt to survive in the ocean, as well as using their technology to protect the city in the sinking so it could also survive and prosper in the ocean. The Atlanteans chose to dominate the seas, and secluded themselves away from the surface dwellers. Majority of the world believed Atlantis to be extinct and over time, Atlantis became a myth.

However, that myth still lingers in modern day thanks the philosopher Plato, who managed to find himself in the events of the Man Of Steel, where shown in a flashback, a young Clark Kent is seen reading a book on Plato. Now, if Clark read a book about Plato, I'm pretty sure he has heard of Atlantis, right? Now I'm not sure whether Clark currently believes it was real (or still is), but I have no doubt in my mind he had a good wonder during his soul searching years.

The Meta-Humans and Homo-Magi

Now, I'm sure some have appeared in the DC Cinematic Universe already, but as of right now and when I say right now, I mean by the end of the events of the Man Of Steel, the public is not aware of their existence. But lets get into who they are. The meta-humans are a subspecies of the human race that possess special abilities and powers. Its basically DC's equivalents to mutants, so explaining their existence pretty much works the same way. The Atlanteans also have their own subspecies know as homo-magi, and just like the meta-humans, they evolved off from the Atlantean race into their own subspecies.

I'm pretty sure we will start seeing some meta-humans and homo-magi soon enough, but in all honesty, explaining their existence is pretty simple to do. In my idea, the homo-magi and meta-humans already exist, but the public are no mo aware of them as they were Superman before the events of the Man Of Steel.

How They Tie Together

The humans, Atlanteans & Amazons have shared the Earth for a long time, and majority of the time, they have had little contact with each other. The Amazons and man have had conflicts, which resulted in the Amazons having an extremely poor opinion on man. Humans, Kryptonians, and other alien species share a common ancestors that were known as Old Gods who are long extinct. The Olympians are an offspring race of the Old Gods and both the Atlanteans and Amazons of offspring of Olympians, sharing a direct connect through common ancestors.

The Martians, a race I haven't really touched up on right now, also share a connect with the humans since they were the ones who sped up the humans evolutionary process. This provides a tie that could/should be brought up when the Martian Manhunter is inevitably introduced.

To touch up on the Old Gods decision to let the life they had seeded on planets naturally grow was to prevent races from going a stray. They believe for race to truly continue to evolve, they must balance their progress spiritually and technologically. It was believed by the Old Gods that interference with the natural evolutionary progression usually led to the race leaning toward one side or the other. This hand in hand ties with the Kryptonians eventual fate as a race.

The Kryptonians, as you know in the DC Cinematic Universe, got to a point where they had such minimal technological advances of a long period of time, their civilization came to an evolutionary halt. A way of explaining how their race led to this is through the lack of evolving spiritually while continuously making technological advances, which led to them become the civilization at a stand still we saw in the Man Of Steel. As Jor-El basically said, Krypton had lost their way and to the old Gods, Krypton is a prime example of a race that didn't evolve naturally. Of course, to explain that, Krypton's evolutionary process must of been interfered also. I do have an idea that involves Rao, a deity that belongs to a offspring race of the Old Gods that Kryptonian's named their sun after. I'm not going to get into that, but I'm sure you get the idea.

Back to the Maltusians, they are the precursor race of the Oans, who are best known as the Guardians of the Universe. The Maltusians are race of Old Gods that existed in the DC Cinematic Universe. At a point at time, a group Oan's came to earth and humans mistakenly took them for gods, notably the Sumerian gods the Annunaki.


"You will give the people an ideal to strive towards. They will race behind you, they will stumble, they will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders." - Jor-El

In my idea, there is a much bigger meaning to that quote from Jor-El. As Jor-El explained in the Man Of Steel, Krypton lost its way due to an interference the Old God's that seeded their race were dead set against, and so has the human race on Earth. Earth in modern times has started to become less spiritual & faithful but have continued to advance technologically as a race. Superman's appearance is sure to have changed the way people see things on Earth in the DC Cinematic Universe, and it is sure to effect Earth's future in a big way.

The time of logical reasoning for believing is over in the DC Cinematic Universe as no human can currently logically explained what they witnessed that day in Metropolis. Man now once again share contact with gods, and man again finally have a reason to believe in more than what they can understand. Whether or not Superman's appearance will prevent man from becoming like Krypton is to be seen, but one things for sure, the Earth will never be the same.

Even though some of these races share common ancestors or direct links with one another, they are all vastly different, while also being similar in a lot of ways. This is just a rough idea of a way WB/DC could present each race's origins and possibly tie them together. Please feel free to express your opinions on my ideas below and your own ideas on how WB/DC could present and tie their inhabitants of Earth together.

Thanks for reading.
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Lhornbk - 12/22/2013, 3:35 PM
Ummmmm......yeah, let me Just no. Don't really like any of these ideas. They are far too complicated to explain easily in a movie, among other things.
Batmaniac - 12/22/2013, 3:45 PM

Many of my ideas are pulled from the comics and twist and turned to fit into the Universe the Man Of Steel has set up. For example, Gog was an Old God and the Old Gods were responsible of for the creation of the New Gods. Another example would be The Amazons were created by the Olympian gods in the comics, just like in my idea.

Also, not every idea has to be explained in one single movie. For example, the Atlantean idea could be used in an Aquman movie and the Amazon idea could be used in a Wonder Woman movie and so on.

Anyhow, I respect your opinion and thanks for the comment.
MrCBM56 - 12/22/2013, 4:21 PM
DEVLIN712 - 12/22/2013, 4:41 PM
This is great, I'd role with it, my only concern is that the deneral audience would get confused as phuck.

"So Superman comes from the Olympians?"
"No, he was some where else when that happened"
"But aren't WW and SM the same? They can both fly"
"So wait who made Flash why is he special?"
SpideyQuad - 12/22/2013, 5:47 PM
Nice fantasy.

Is it all possible?

Not in 1 million years
sinsear912 - 12/22/2013, 5:51 PM
Aint nobody got time for that.
Brainiac13 - 12/22/2013, 5:58 PM

I'll read this Monday evening and give my opinion. Nice write up by the way.
Brainiac13 - 12/22/2013, 6:00 PM

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Batmaniac - 12/22/2013, 6:02 PM
I can definitely see DEVILIN's point. I could actually imagine people asking whether Wonder Woman and Superman are same without all of this, but I think those sort of people tend to miss all the little details anyway. For the people that pay attention to the little details and want to know more, I think something similar to this should be touched up on eventually on the big screen just as it has in the comics. I think it will just help enrich the Universe they are setting up further.

Thinking about it, maybe the more complicated parts could be touched up on an 30 minute animated short set in the DCCU that they could feature on a Blu-Ray release or something.

Anyway, thanks for the comments.
Omarvls - 12/22/2013, 6:03 PM
ALmazing - 12/22/2013, 6:07 PM
I think your ideas, while awesome, might not be grounded enough to be applied to the DCCU. I do believe that Goyer is somehow going to connect Amazons, Atlanteans, and metahumans to the Kryptonians and their early explorations of the planet earth.
CaptainAmerica31 - 12/22/2013, 6:09 PM
Didn't read lol, but I skimmed and I liked it
Nick56 - 12/22/2013, 6:23 PM
I certainly like the idea of their being some sort of connectivity between the Amazons and Atlanteans (from an ancestral perspective) and possibly humans (from a historical perspective). I think the emergence of superman will have a ripple effect on everything, so much of this seems plausible if a little dense.

As it stands I think the events of MOS will cause the Amazons to take interest in the world of "man" once more and thus Diana is sent as a spy for Themiscyra all while Batman remerges from semi-retirment to see how much of a threat Superman really is. I think once the "trinity" is established then everything else can follow.

GliderMan - 12/22/2013, 6:30 PM
yonny616 - 12/22/2013, 6:32 PM
I like. I really do. This is basically what they need to do, especially when it comes to the Amazons and Atlanteans.
Saintsinnister - 12/22/2013, 6:33 PM
Good job man. Took the time and effort somebody at WB should do. This will help explain why they share so many traits as each other. That is going to be DC's hardest thing to explain in a realistic universe like they tried to set up in MOS.
Saintsinnister - 12/22/2013, 6:36 PM
BTW I fuggin hate the idea of Batman always being in retirement stages. This is basicly his first movie in this universe. I understand him being seasoned but screw the idea he is old and run down.
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 6:43 PM
This actually sounds feasible and would create a far more cohesive universe than the current MCU. The descriptions above would make for some highly epic movie making in the vicinity of Lord Of The Rings or Harry Potter caliber genre, and would set up a long term DCU that could last over a decade worth of high quality story-telling. My only fear is how invested WB would be to create an elaborate universe you outlined above, as it would take a lot more audience participation and investment. Based on MOS and the placement of Kara having arrived on earth 20,000 years ago, Goyer and co have definitely left an Easter Egg that could tie in to the above type of storytelling that would be highly satisfying. My question: are the above descriptions made by Batmaniac actually DC corroborated stories that Geoff Johns is knowledgeable of? My gut tells me WB/DC would be smart to tie as much of their movies to the New 52 in order to lessen any audience confusion that would arise from multiple iterations of the characters depicted.

Otherwise -- well done! I just hope WB is smart and ambitious enough to think of something as elaborate. This would put DC in the realm of Star Wars which would me a larger fan base and long term palatable consistency that would prevent such horrors as Superman 3/4, Batman & Robin, Green Lantern from ever happening again.
ALegendaryPanda - 12/22/2013, 6:49 PM
Lol Intruder is so pathetic.
SnapperCarr - 12/22/2013, 6:52 PM
From what I read, I could see the potential that your idea has. But DEVLIN712 also brings up a great point in saying that it could be too confusing for the general audience.

I think there are certain races that definitely need to be touched on like the Amazons and the Atlanteans. I like your idea of the Atlanteans going the more technological route while keeping the Amazons traditionalists because it matches the tone of Wonder Woman and Aquaman comics. However, how to the Olympians exist on Earth? How come they aren't as powerful in modern times? What's the New Gods role in all of this?
SnapperCarr - 12/22/2013, 6:53 PM
@Intruder Stfu.
SnapperCarr - 12/22/2013, 6:54 PM
There also needs to be an explanation for Martians and how they don't exist today (besides Martian Manhunter).
MrDonut - 12/22/2013, 6:58 PM
These are some pretty good ideas, I like it a lot. I also hope for the DCCU they draw from Blackest Night and Brightest Day (making Earth the original source of life in the universe), just as a means of further explaining why so many aliens and weird forces are attracted/come to Earth... But yeah! Awesome ideas, has the same kinda potential that Prometheus had/has, hopefully they incorporate this kinda style of not something similar, would defo allow for a richer and fuller cinematic universe.
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 7:03 PM
This could be the reason MOS integrated a ship to have arrived on earth 20,000 years before MOS. The Kryptonian race could easily be the descendants of both Wonder Woman and Aquaman through inter- marriage. My explanation would be a weak escape though. I really like Batmaniac's attempt to create a larger scope universe that would perfectly tie everything together. I hope someone from WB particularly Goyer and Snyder have this whole thing planned out in some similar fashion. The placement of the Kryptonian scout ship in MOS leads me to believe there is already a plan in place to explain the presence of meta humans here on earth. The Amazons and Atlanteans may simply have ties to the Kryptonians.
ThePowerCosmic - 12/22/2013, 7:05 PM
See this is the kind of stuff I like on this site. People discussing ideas for films and why we love this stuff. I wish we could stick to this kind of thing more than criticising Each other. Thanks for sharing this, interesting ideas...we'll see how it all plays out!
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 7:06 PM
But again -- Batmaniac's rendition deserves a lot of consideration. Again I ask: Is Batmaniac's rendition the official DC history? If it is, Geoff Johns should make sure it is integrated in the movies.
Batmaniac - 12/22/2013, 7:09 PM

Yes, I agree, Wonder Woman definitely needs an updated origin that feeds into the idea the mythology has some sort of truth behind it.


Exactly! I think when creating a fictional world, adding ass much detail as possible is important and I agree, it could really enrich the DC Cinematic Universe to a level on par with Star Wars and Lord Of The Rings.
cld247 - 12/22/2013, 7:12 PM
@ intruder SHUT THE [frick] UP!!!!!!! You are so [frick]ing PATHETIC!!!!!!! @Batmaniac Great article! I Agree!
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 7:12 PM
Saintsinnister -- I heard through grapevine that having Batman start as semi retired is to somehow make a loose connection to Nolan's trilogy and so lessen audience confusion. The non comic book geek could still watch MOS2 thinking Affleck is the same Bale character just years in the future without being overly confused.
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 7:15 PM
I agree Batmaniac. I certainly hope WB now believes in their DC property enough to go all out in this fashion. Someone from WB needs to see this thread.
Batmaniac - 12/22/2013, 7:21 PM

In my idea, the Olympians came to Earth at some point and settled on Earth for awhile. They are as powerful as they always were (If so, even more now), but since ancient times, they have since moved on from Earth. Of course, the Atlanteans and Amazons have their means and ways of contacting the Olympians, but they rare come to Earth physically anymore, well, at least they haven't been.

The Olympians and New Gods are almost like cousins, but they rarely involved themselves within each others affairs. The New Gods are aware of Earth and the Olympians dealings with Earth. I was thinking the appearance of Superman is bound to spark interest in Earth from the New Gods. I'm sure word is going to go around the Universe sooner or later about Superman and other characters, so I was thinking that would spark the New Gods interest, particularly Darkseid.

As for the Martians, I'll have to think more about that one. I'd definitely do something about something happening to them, explaining why Mars is a wasteland now and maybe Martian Manhunter crash landed on Earth Kara-Style on Earth a while ago, and is in suspended animation or something. I'd definitely have to think about that one a little more.
MightyZeus - 12/22/2013, 7:26 PM
Great idea. I dont mind if DC/WB's took this route. I think it would be amazing.
Batmaniac - 12/22/2013, 7:28 PM

I have taken elements from the comics, some being pretty faithful while others deviating a bit, but I have tried to honor a lot of the source in a sense no matter what. For example, all the races and Gog, the Old God, are from the comics. Another example would be in the comics, the Old Gods destruction resulted in something called the god wave, that resulted in the birth of the New Gods.

In my idea, I still kept the fact the Old Gods were responsible for the birth of the New Gods, but I did it in a more direct way by making them offspring races of the Old Gods. However, the White Martians tampering with humans DNA is pulled directly from the comics.
Vadakin - 12/22/2013, 7:32 PM
My own idea centres around the Source and the godwave and the idea of cycles.

Essentially, everything mystical ties back to the Source. The Speed Force, the Emotional Spectrum, the magic of everyone from Zatanna to Shazam all originates from the Source.

Throughout the history of the universe, there is a repeating cycle of power. One cycle gave rise to the Oans, another gave rise to the Titans, another to the New Gods etc. The latest cycle gives rise to superheroes.

But it's all interconnected. The first great "human" power on Earth comes from the Titans. The Titans give birth to the Olympians, who overthrow their parents. The Olympians are gods. Everything myth says they can do, they can do and not because they're aliens with advanced technology. No, they're gods. According to Greek myth, everything comes from Chaos. Even the gods were created beings. So let's assume that Chaos is the Source (which itself comes from the comics).

So what is the Source? It's potential. It's possibility. (This part isn't from the comics) The universe could have been anything. The laws of physics could have been drastically different to what they are. There could have been a universe with no gravity, a universe where the speed of light wasn't the fastest thing in existence, a universe where a being could alter the fabric of reality with just a thought. Infinite possibilities. But the universe we got wasn't any of those things. Our laws of physics don't allow for such wonders. But from the moment of the Big Bang when the universe came into being, all those potential alternatives, manifested as the Source, started to bleed through into reality.

Result is that all those potential versions of reality that never came into being, do so as part of our reality in a way that allowed for the defiance of the laws of physics.

So what does all that mean? It means magic is magic and gods are gods. It means "human" beings can evolve on different worlds, some with giant wings, others with the ability to absorb solar radiation and evolve in a way that we never thought possible.

The accident that gives the Flash his powers should have killed him. But in a universe that could have been, where the Speedforce exists, that accident gives Barry Allen superpowers and allows him to defy the laws of physics. Well the universe that could have been does exist as part of the fabric of our reality thanks to the Source.

There's a potential version of the universe where beings can alter the fabric of reality, Well that potential universe is a part of our universe and allows the Olympians to be gods, which in turn allows the Amazons to hide away for 3,000 years on an invisible island and allows a child made of clay to be given life while also allowing Poseidon to curse the Atlantean people by forcing them to live under the sea.

There's a potential universe that could have been where energy is tied to emotion. When that potential bleeds through to our universe via the Source, it creates the Emotional Spectrum which the Oans figure out how to tap into to create the Green Lantern Corp.

All of this happens in cycles, so you've got the era of the Olympians, the era of the New Gods, the era of the superhero and it happens all across the universe. And what starts to happen is that all of these impossible beings and events start to interact, causing the cycles to start speeding up. Each cycle used to be millions or even billions of years apart. Between the era of the Olympians and the creation of the Flash, it's a few thousand years. But now these impossible events are happening all the time and the Earth is at the centre of a lot of it. The rise of the metahuman phenomenon is an example of the cycles converging. There may even be some sort of design around it, bringing in a possible debate about free will vs fate. Maybe this isn't just a random occurrence. Maybe it was meant to happen.

A guy like Superman shouldn't be able to exist but he does. Somehow, the Flash can run extremely fast without being affected by relativity. If you could do a comprehensive test of the universe, you would discover that the laws of physics are still there and for 99.9999999% of the universe, those laws are absolute. But there is far more to the universe, it's far bigger and far more interesting than we can imagine and there are forces at work that we can't possibly understand.

Now, would I put that in the movie? No. When Diana shows up I'd just have her say that "the world is bigger than you know" and leave it there. No need for over-complicated explanations.
Tevii - 12/22/2013, 7:38 PM
Completely unnecessary to explain it all for the cinematic universe.
GeekyCheekyChic - 12/22/2013, 7:39 PM
great write up. I fear far too complex for the general audience(they can barely understand Pacific Rim) but I like it.
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 7:45 PM
The over complicated explanation is what would make this a more long term investment. If they leave it unexplained, it would lead to audience disinterest. The GL movie fiasco was largely due to the fact they were just there, and attempting to explain everything in one movie made it the fiasco that it was. Having MOS create the scout ship storyline sparks some interest. It created the potential for meta humans that have evolved over the course of time . Even Faora commented on it by alluding to Kryptonians as advanced race in the evolutionary chain. Having the backstory above will certainly give lots to use when creating a Wonder Woman movie or Aquaman movie. The world Lucas created for Star Wars is the result of over complicated explanation that has rendered that franchise eternal. DC needs to invest in their universe and take it seriously as Batmaniac has put it together for us. As he suggested, this is taken from DC itself largely, it would just be a matter of putting it on the screen.
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 7:48 PM
And like someone earlier suggested -- don't do it all in one or two movies. The story needs to marinate slowly. WW could simply be introduced as an Amazonian who has some evolutionary tie to the Kryptonians which could lead to more audience interest and a demand for a backstory and so forth.
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 7:52 PM
The Kryptonian backstory in MOS is definitely a step in the right direction for WB. I believe a plan has been set in place. The MOS DVD also alludes to the existence of Kandor. I wonder if the bottled city of Kandor would be turned to the isolated island of Themysirca thereby leading to a super powered WW. Just pure speculation.
fishybashi - 12/22/2013, 7:55 PM
Marvel wouldn't exist if DC didn't succeed in heralding the silver age with Flash. Intruder, everything has a role. Healthy competition is necessary to insure quality is maintained.
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