EDITORIAL: Is The MAN OF STEEL Sequel Overcrowded?

Batmaniac takes a look at why, in his opinion, the upcoming sequel to Zack Snyder's Man Of Steel is not suffering from being overcrowded with characters. Hit the jump to check it out and share your thoughts!

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By Batmaniac - 12/29/2013


I wrote this editorial to discuss the most common complaint fans make concerning the upcoming untitled Man Of Steel follow-up.

It goes without saying that Marvel Studios' way of setting up their shared Universe worked exceptionally well in the long run, with The Avengers being a major success and going on to being the 3rd highest grossing movie of all time. Marvel Studios went about introducing majority of the team in their own solo outings first, giving you an opportunity to get to know the characters before they assemble together in The Avengers, but does that mean DC have to approach their Cinematic Universe in the same way?

Well, the simple answer would be no. There is no set way to build cinematic universe and while Marvel Studios way of setting thinks up worked extremely well for them, it doesn't necessarily mean that WB/DC have to set their cinematic universe up the exact same way. This has lead certain fans into believing that without characters being set up in a solo movie before a team up, the movie will be overcrowded.



Contrary to popular belief on this site, The Avengers isn't the first movie with an ensemble cast. In fact, there have been plenty of movies with en ensemble cast ranging from Lord Of The Rings to Oceans Eleven who all successfully balanced each character out in an appropriate way that serves the plot. Lets take a look at Lord Of The Ring huge ensemble cast that was all introduced in the first movie of the trilogy The Fellowship of the Ring.

Elijah Wood as Frodo Baggins
Ian McKellen as Gandalf the Grey
Liv Tyler as Arwen
Viggo Mortensen as Aragorn
Sean Astin as Samwise "Sam" Gamgee
Cate Blanchett as Galadriel
John Rhys-Davies as Gimli
Billy Boyd as Peregrin "Pippin" Took
Dominic Monaghan as Meriadoc "Merry" Brandybuck
Orlando Bloom as Legolas
Christopher Lee as Saruman the White
Hugo Weaving as Elrond
Sean Bean as Boromir
Ian Holm as Bilbo Baggins
Andy Serkis as Gollum
Sala Baker as the Dark Lord Sauron
Marton Csokas as the Elf Celeborn
Lawrence Makoare as the Orc Lurtz
Craig Parker as Haldir
Mark Ferguson as Gil-galad
Peter McKenzie as Elendil
Harry Sinclair as Isildur


As you can see, that's a lot of characters and in comparison to the Man Of Steel's sequel current cast members, there are 16 more characters than the 6 confirmed for the Man Of Steel sequel. As you probably know, The Fellowship of the Ring was a highly successful movie that went on to spawn 2 sequels and a prequel trilogy. Of course, some fans will argue that those characters are not comic book characters, but then again, WB/DC aren't making a comic book, they are making a comic book movie.



Next, lets take a little look at DC's very own animated Superman/Batman: Public Enemies animated movie that was released in 2009 that also spawned a direct follow up called Superman/Batman: Apocalypse. The animated Superman/Batman movie featured an array of comic book characters that were all integrated into the movie, with some playing important roles with others making a small appearances. Superman/Batman: Public Enemies featured...

Kevin Conroy as Batman
Tim Daly as Superman
Clancy Brown as Lex Luthor
Xander Berkeley as Captain Atom
Corey Burton as Captain Marvel & Solomon Grundy
Ricardo Chavira as Major Force
Allison Mack as Power Girl
John C. McGinley as Metallo
C.C.H. Pounder as Amanda Waller
LeVar Burton as Black Lightning
Calvin Tran as Japanese Toyman
Brian George as Gorilla Grodd
Jennifer Hale as Starfire & Killer Frost
Rachael MacFarlane as Nightshade & Lady Shiva
Alan Oppenheimer as Alfred Pennyworth
Andrea Romano as Giganta,
Bruce Timm as Mongul
Michael Gough as Hawkman & Captain Cold


In comparison to the upcoming Man Of Steel sequel, that is 15 more characters than the so far confirmed amount to be featured in the Man Of Steel follow up. I think I should mention that the direction follow up to Superman/Batman: Public Enemies also featured Wonder Woman.



However, it doesn't stop there because every single comic book movie being released next year have more confirmed characters than the Man Of Steel follow up currently has, with Captain America: The Winter Soldier having 19 officially cast characters with 1 unspecified role, X-Men: Days Of Future Past having 16 officially cast characters, The Amazing Spider-Man 2 having 15 officially cast characters with Felcity Jones and B. J. Novak in unspecified roles and finally with Guardians of the Galaxy having 14 officially cast characters and 9 unspecified roles as well as 1 confirmed cameo.

As you can quite clearly see, compared to the 6 confirmed characters set to appear in the Man Of Steel follow up, all the comic book movies being released next year have far more characters being featured, with Guardians of the Galaxy introducing a total of 23 characters that have never been introduced before. Funny enough, the other comic book movie that is widely considered to be overcrowded is The Amazing Spider-Man 2 but as it stands, both The Winter Soldier and Guardians of the Galaxy have a larger cast.



So is the upcoming sequel to Man Of Steel currently overcrowded with characters? The obvious answer is no. I can understand that some fans are concerned with movies being overcrowded because I don't think many people honestly want to see these movies flop but I think its gotten to a point where its a bit silly to assume that the comic book movie with the smallest confirmed cast so far is overcrowded while the others are not. A movie having a huge ensemble cast doesn't mean the movie will automatically be bad since there are plenty of movies who have a huge cast that have gone on to be highly successful and to spawn successful franchises such as Lord Of The Rings and Stars Wars. There is no set way to build a cinematic universe and without an insight into how WB/DC plan to do this, its almost redundant to assume that they do not know what they are doing.

So fear not fanboys, an ensemble cast of characters that are being introduced in one movie does not mean automatic failure and can easily go on to be highly successful if all turns out well. Superman, Batman & Wonder Woman are set to hit screen on July 17th 2015 in the upcoming Man Of Steel with the story being written by David S. Goyer & the script being rewritten by Chris Terrio with Zack Snyder directing. 6 confirmed characters is far from being overcrowded, especially in comparison to other successful movies with a huge ensembles casts and the upcoming comic book movies set to be released next year.

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yonny616 - 12/29/2013, 5:44 PM
Great article.
TheDetectiveComicRises - 12/29/2013, 5:46 PM
I do not feel the movie is overcrowded until I see it. But I will say this Lord of the Rings the Two Towers had tones of characters & it was done well. Yes it was different medium but films can be done with many characters remember The Avengers? Yes they built up to it but it still could have self destructed but didn't.

For all we know a character like Wonder Woman may not be in the movie that long or that much. I am more hyped up & this is my most anticipated movie from now until then So I will be there Lord willing :)
TheDetectiveComicRises - 12/29/2013, 5:47 PM
BTW Great Article!
ruadh - 12/29/2013, 5:51 PM
Haw...I'd never thought of LOTR as an example.

I still don't really get how upset people get over too many characters. Apparently people feel movies are only supposed to have one good guy, one bad guy, possibly a friend, and maybe a love interest.
MrCBM56 - 12/29/2013, 5:59 PM
THANK YOU!!

Honestly though, as excited as I was about Batman vs. Superman, I knew it wouldn't be enough for the movie to keep it fresh.
We've seen an old, weary Batman. (TDKR)
We've seen Superman and his supporting characters.
We have NOT seen Wonder Woman.
Batman and Superman bickering and then teaming up or whatever, wouldn't have been enough to keep this movie going and keeping it fresh.
Wonder Woman will! Not only is she new, but she's entirely different than Batman and Superman. She's going to keep this franchise new and exciting. And I thank the lord she's in this film.

Moving on to her being in the film... I can't see how it's overcrowded.
I hate to bring up Marvel but The Winter Solider has like 4 villains in it and a bunch of new characters, not one person complains. Dc adds ONE new character, it's now a debate over it.
At this point, literally 6 people are confirmed in this movie.
1. Clark
2. Bruce
3. Diana
4. Ma Kent
5. Lois
6. Perry White
Martha and Perry will have short, but integral roles in the movie. The rest with out a doubt will have a large part. So this movie, so far, really only has 4 leading roles.

nothing over crowded about that. And people should have faith in Snyder to balance each character. Watchmen for example. I loved each character in that movie and that had several heroes. People find anything to bitch about.

So in short, the answer to, "is this movie is over-crowded"?... NO.
MrCBM56 - 12/29/2013, 5:59 PM
Also, great article. Thumbs up.
DEVLIN712 - 12/29/2013, 6:08 PM
It depends how they use who. Hopefully WW is a small part and all the rumoured rolls are just cameos.
DEVLIN712 - 12/29/2013, 6:08 PM
Great article BTW
batcheeks8 - 12/29/2013, 6:18 PM
Thank you sir.
McNyagano - 12/29/2013, 6:20 PM


Great editorial. I still have my reservations about the film. Wasn't too happy with WW and Batman being in the film because I really wanted a MOS sequel. For now, I'll remain optimistic and see how everything plays out in 2015.
BackwardGalaxy - 12/29/2013, 6:21 PM
So, basically, the argument against the MoS sequel being overcrowded is... other movies. K.
Batmaniac - 12/29/2013, 6:21 PM
Wonder Woman is 1 of the 6 announced cast members as well as being the 2nd new cast member to be announced, so I think its safe to say that she will likely to play an important role.

We know next nothing about the movie. For all we know, the movie could be 3 hours long. Just because its a comic book movie doesn't mean it has to be restricted to 1 lead, 1 villain and a few supporting roles. It think it goes without saying that the movie was always going to be on a huge scale.

@Everyone

Thanks for the comments.
McNyagano - 12/29/2013, 6:23 PM
If everyone wants to talk about a movie being over-crowded, take a look at X-Men: DOFP. That film could go two ways, either it ends up being a great movie or a complete total cluster[frick]!
TheRationalNerd - 12/29/2013, 6:23 PM
Can't wait for this film to debut and shut all of the haters up! lol
LehnsienJaw - 12/29/2013, 6:24 PM
CAN'T FVCKING WAIT
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 12/29/2013, 6:24 PM
It's not overcrowded, it's just jumping the gun too quickly.
jrp6048 - 12/29/2013, 6:27 PM
Great article! The thing about comic book movies is that there are loads of characters in the comics and yes we can't have every character in the film but filling up spots can be fun and sometimes essential
Amazing512 - 12/29/2013, 6:28 PM
It's getting harder and harder to remain optimistic about this damn film
DrVenkman - 12/29/2013, 6:28 PM
Valid argument. There is no set way to develop a cinematic universe. Ensemble movies can be crazy good and crazy successful. That being said...

I hope they do incorporate GL into the movie/universe, even if they recast. What I really want to see is Mark Strong return as Sinestro.
JamesMan - 12/29/2013, 6:28 PM

@Batmaniac, this article
Nick56 - 12/29/2013, 6:29 PM
Good article.

People need to realize-

Having a Batman vs Superman movie kills two birds with 1 stone – it expands the DCCU and reboots batman without giving him an unneeded solo film. In contrast to a Batman (who believes Superman is a threat) it will help transform and develop Superman as a character.
At this point we don’t know how large WWs role will be. Having WW be apart of BvS is a smart move as it introduces the audience to her character and the actress playing her – thus not risking possible failure with a solo outing – people will be invested in a future solo outing because they introduced her in BvS (a movie that is guaranteed to be a success)
JamesMan - 12/29/2013, 6:30 PM
I have to say well done on this article. And no, I never felt it was overcrowded, it's been a ridiculous complaint since it started, especially when looking at past ensemble films.
McNyagano - 12/29/2013, 6:30 PM
@TheBlackNerd

"Can't wait for this film to debut and shut all of the haters up! lol"


Just don't assume that some people who are concerned with this film are haters. Yeah there some haters but that comment of yours is really disconcerting. I was more worried about who was writing the film than who was being cast in it. Thank [frick] they got an Oscar winning writer to re-write and polish Goyer and Snyder's script.
ChowdaHead - 12/29/2013, 6:30 PM
ha. Well, i knew i wouldnt be reading this after seeing the author was @Batmaniac. every comment that guy has ever made is just ignorant. and then i see a picture of LOTR? and so because good movies have been made with many characters, it means this upcoming film isnt over-crowded? its one thing to have a crowded movie. its another to do a crowded movie justice? Zach Snyder already showed us he doesnt do a very good job with Watchmen.
McNyagano - 12/29/2013, 6:33 PM
@BlackJack10

Rogue was already cut out of that film and that's starting to worry me. It's still my most antici-pated CBM next year but the cutting of Rogue who was suppose to have a pivotal role in the film's climax just had me thinking that Singer is beginning to cut some characters out because there's way too many of them in the film. We'll see next year.
RandomAxe - 12/29/2013, 6:33 PM
It's not necessarily overcrowded, but it seems like WB is trying to throw a bunch of stuff in there to see what sticks haphazardly. They seem desperate to make their own Avengers-like movie and are not patient enough to let this film just simply be Supes vs. Bats and allow their universe to grow organically. It all seems forced, but it may work. We know next to nothing yet about anything really and all could be parts of the WB masterplan. I can't pass judgement yet, but I certainly cannot feel too optimistic either.
billnye69 - 12/29/2013, 6:36 PM
I for one dont believe that any other rumored characters will have more then a camero role in the movie and this includes Wonder Woman. The fact that Doomsday was tagged in tweets by people close to the film tells me that W.W, Flash and G.L will be in the after crefits scene with Doomsday. (If character rumors are true)
npamusic - 12/29/2013, 6:36 PM
I've written, not "wrote".
McNyagano - 12/29/2013, 6:37 PM

"Zach Snyder already showed us he doesnt do a very good job with Watchmen."

Watchmen was amazing! What the heck are you talking about? I personally enjoyed his take on Watchmen. It was a great film imo. I don't know what your problems are with it to be frank.
DrVenkman - 12/29/2013, 6:37 PM
@TDK1939: good point.
TheRationalNerd - 12/29/2013, 6:38 PM
@McNyagano

That's true. But I mean the film is set in two different timelines. I don't think that it should be overloaded but there should be at least an even amount on both sides. And plus in a future full of the mutant race being killed off there should be more mutants featured.

So far in the future we have...

-Professor X
-Magneto
-Wolverine
-Iceman
-Storm
-Colossus
-Rogue
-Bishop
-Sunspot
-Warpath
-Blink

Past Timeline...

-Professor X
-Magneto
-Wolverine
-Beast
-Mystique
-Havok
-Quicksilver

Human Characters
-Nixon
-Trask
-Stryker

I think characters like Bishop shouldn't have a massive role like the other characters because he's actually part of the bigger picture when the Apocalypse story arc comes next. Most of the characters in this film are also characters set to appear within the Apocalypse future so I think that this is singer's way of making us all familiar with these specific characters without having to go through explaining/featuring them as a surprise for what comes next.

Quicksilver, Scarlett Witch, Rogue, Wolverine, Rogue, Iceman, Jean Grey, Colossus and Magneto are all teamed up within the Apocalypse story arc so I honestly believe that by them introducing Quicksilver is NOT a way to get even with Marvel using the same character for Age of Ultron but to use the character for future references towards him appearing within the next featured film since singer states it's going to take place with the younger characters.

JamesMan - 12/29/2013, 6:39 PM
"Zach Snyder already showed us he doesnt do a very good job with Watchmen."

CharlesLord - 12/29/2013, 6:40 PM
You actually make godo points, but i think most people are thinking that its overcrowded because its supposed to be a Superman sequel and all these characters are popping up. I know it doesnt mean anything until we actually see it, but theres a lil merit to thinking that theyre packing a lot of characters into a movie thats supposed to be a superman sequel.
ChowdaHead - 12/29/2013, 6:44 PM
im sorry everyone. Watchmen was just fantastic. now i cant wait to see his take on Wonderwoman..........................................................................................................................................................................................................................
McNyagano - 12/29/2013, 6:44 PM
@TheBlackNerd

Dude that's a huge cast lol I'm excited for the film but it looks crowded imo.

@BlackJack10

She did?:o
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 12/29/2013, 6:45 PM
Whatever they have in store for WW, I really hope it is restricted to Themyscira. Keep Superman and Batman the FOCUS.
TheWolverine08 - 12/29/2013, 6:45 PM
Nice read.
THEDARKKNIGHT1939 - 12/29/2013, 6:50 PM
After all, that's what the freakin logo is



Not Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman

Superman/Batman
ALmazing - 12/29/2013, 6:52 PM
I think the issue is not necessarily the number of characters in a movie, the problem is about how this movie has been introduced. It was announced as one thing and it keeps evolving into something that's is not Man of Steel 2. First it was the Man of Steel sequel, then it was Batman vs Superman, then they added WW and there are rumors that Nightwing, latino Flash and GL John Steward are going to make an appearance, who knows to what extend. The point is ,if you are going to make an assemble piece, announce an assemble piece, call it Justice League, but don't call it MoS 2 and then make a movie where is obviously Superman is not going to be the focus of the story. The fact that this movie keeps on changing makes some people nervous that WB is jumping the gun and rushing a movie just to compete with Avengers 2.
DeathstrokeTerminator - 12/29/2013, 6:54 PM
Finally someone else gets it!
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